Scottish Convergence cash. At last.

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Surly that would be very unfair, if its only real upland/Hill places that get it it will be like an extra sfp for them. Iv only 2ha of 2 land, price of a fish supper for me


It is money that was supposed to have been paid to the worst areas.
This isn't new money, it's money those farms were never given. So it would be very unfair for it to be divided up between everyone else.

The dairy and arable boys can f**k right off, so can the NFUs - all of this money should go to the mountains and hills which 'generated' it.

I won't see much of it at all, but I don't mind. It just needs to go where it was intended.
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
It is money that was supposed to have been paid to the worst areas.
This isn't new money, it's money those farms were never given. So it would be very unfair for it to be divided up between everyone else.

The dairy and arable boys can f**k right off, so can the NFUs - all of this money should go to the mountains and hills which 'generated' it.

I won't see much of it at all, but I don't mind. It just needs to go where it was intended.
This topic has been incredibly divisive,just a couple of points most hill and upland farms have region 1 land on them and this is where most of this money would have been generated as all our subs have derived from production based subsidies so the most productive land generated the most sub. If this money was all paid to region 2&3 there would be cases of massive over compensation,I have one friend who would be in line for a half million pound windfall also do you really want vast amounts of this hard won money going to Swedish millionaires who happen to own huge swathes of the highlands,I think most people just want a fair distribution of this money although I do realise that each persons perspective of fair is different.
 
It is money that was supposed to have been paid to the worst areas.
This isn't new money, it's money those farms were never given. So it would be very unfair for it to be divided up between everyone else.

The dairy and arable boys can f**k right off, so can the NFUs - all of this money should go to the mountains and hills which 'generated' it.

I won't see much of it at all, but I don't mind. It just needs to go where it was intended.
wrong, if it had been passed up from westminster at the time it wOuld just increase our budget and be divided the normal way across regions, now it is passed up many years later at a time when lfa is being cut and theyre simply using it to plug the gap in LFA so the rest of the farmers are missing out!
 
This topic has been incredibly divisive,just a couple of points most hill and upland farms have region 1 land on them and this is where most of this money would have been generated as all our subs have derived from production based subsidies so the most productive land generated the most sub. If this money was all paid to region 2&3 there would be cases of massive over compensation,I have one friend who would be in line for a half million pound windfall also do you really want vast amounts of this hard won money going to Swedish millionaires who happen to own huge swathes of the highlands,I think most people just want a fair distribution of this money although I do realise that each persons perspective of fair is different.
EXACTLY, most of the hills are owned by very few people lets not forget that
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
wrong, if it had been passed up from westminster at the time it wOuld just increase our budget and be divided the normal way across regions, now it is passed up many years later at a time when lfa is being cut and theyre simply using it to plug the gap in LFA so the rest of the farmers are missing out!


Wrong, it was money missing through underpayment to LFA.

It would never have went to everyone and shouldn't now
 

sheepwise

Member
Location
SW Scotland
So the Scottish Government has decided to pay this money out over two financial years. The simple reason for this is that it allows them to use this so called "additional funding" to plug the shortfall in LFASS payments for two separate years. As I understand it, this will swallow up 50% of the available funds, so in reality there is only approx 25% of the headline amount actually extra additional funding available for Scottish agriculture this year. I suspect many farmers will see very little of it's benefit.
 
Lfa, will keep going, it as much to those hill boys as the sfp, they're would be some up roar if that was done away with. It's alot less than 10years ago, l think it's about 10 an acre, there alot of acres on those hill places. Sell wee blackie lmbs at 30£ a head and half the ewes are yeld, those hills would be all in trees with out the sub. That's never going to change.
 

Bob the beef

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Scot Borders
I’m sorry but you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick on this one ,this was never lfa money the convergence money is to correct an underpayment of the basic payments scheme.
Correct. This money was paid to the UK government by the EU because Scotland’s payment per hectare was the second lowest in the whole EU after the last CAP reform. It was meant to come straight to Scottish farmers at that point but David Cameron’s defra minister at the time syphoned it off and spread it across the whole UK. The NFUS at the time, lead iirc by Alan Bowie blew a bit of hot wind and then let it drop. This money was designed for the upland farmers and no one else. It would be a catastrophe if the snp now use it to augment the lfass payment to save their own blushes. That was not what Jim Walker fought for
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Correct. This money was paid to the UK government by the EU because Scotland’s payment per hectare was the second lowest in the whole EU after the last CAP reform. It was meant to come straight to Scottish farmers at that point but David Cameron’s defra minister at the time syphoned it off and spread it across the whole UK. The NFUS at the time, lead iirc by Alan Bowie blew a bit of hot wind and then let it drop. This money was designed for the upland farmers and no one else. It would be a catastrophe if the snp now use it to augment the lfass payment to save their own blushes. That was not what Jim Walker fought for


Which is all LFA areas :banghead: which is why they - and nobody else should get it!!!



The SNP are paying it as a 'top up' to the LFASS because they are against LFASS being done away with.

Jim Walker is very much happier with the SNP proposal of distribution than the NFUS' idea
 

Bob the beef

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Scot Borders
Which is all LFA areas :banghead: which is why they - and nobody else should get it!!!



The SNP are paying it as a 'top up' to the LFASS because they are against LFASS being done away with.

Jim Walker is very much happier with the SNP proposal of distribution than the NFUS' idea
Absolutely agree. What I am against is the snp using it to make up the shortfall in lfass payments due to their own financial mismanagement. The converge money should be going to active livestock farmers in the lfa areas and paid on top of the lfass money , not instead of.
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Absolutely agree. What I am against is the snp using it to make up the shortfall in lfass payments due to their own financial mismanagement. The converge money should be going to active livestock farmers in the lfa areas and paid on top of the lfass money , not instead of.


LFASS is being wound down... This isn't being paid instead of, it's ontop of.

Unless I have picked it up wrong?






Also, it's being paid out over 2 years because that's how Boris said we would get the money - in 2 payments.
 

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