Antibiotic failures.

lazy farmer · Aug 4, 2020

After a long period of little or no failures our milk buyer today sent out a letter to us farmers about a multitude of failures in July.
basically all human error.
what procedures do you have in place to ensure it doesn’t happen on you ?

jimmer · Aug 4, 2020

For us, the fact that only 3 of us milk over both herds simplifies things
If we had several milkers and multiple treated cows I think we'd have a separate group

Rossymons · Aug 4, 2020

Tail tape is cheap. Plenty of it. I always told my guys if in doubt - keep it out.

Every fresh cow was AB tested first milking which sped the job along nicely.

vantage · Aug 4, 2020

Tape, spray, in abundance, soon also be able to lock out the unit after the parlour upgrade. An if in doubt , dump it policy helps.

ollie989898 · Aug 4, 2020

lazy farmer said:
After a long period of little or no failures our milk buyer today sent out a letter to us farmers about a multitude of failures in July.
basically all human error.
what procedures do you have in place to ensure it doesn’t happen on you ?

My wife could tell you the statistics for the number of failures experienced by your buyer as she works with a lot of their herds and was involved in the MilkSure thing. You would not believe it, I certainly could not. Higher than the national average. Producers in North America (and Ireland???) would be scoffing because they have far tougher stipulations to antibiotics in their contracts I understand.

I was under the impression a modern parlour won't allow you to put a cow in the tank if it knows her number and knows she has been treated?

lazy farmer · Aug 4, 2020

ollie989898 said:
My wife could tell you the statistics for the number of failures experienced by your buyer as she works with a lot of their herds and was involved in the MilkSure thing. You would not believe it, I certainly could not. Higher than the national average. Producers in North America (and Ireland???) would be scoffing because they have far tougher stipulations to antibiotics in their contracts I understand.

I was under the impression a modern parlour won't allow you to put a cow in the tank if it knows her number and knows she has been treated?

That may have been true at the start of the milk sure process. But over time we had dropped far below the national average. So the recent spate of failures is quite disappointing. Especially as I think we were on levelThat may have been true at the start of the milk sure process. But over time we had dropped far below the national average. So the recent spate of failures is quite disappointing. Especially as I think we were at levels comparable with anywhere in the world until July

Cows 'n grass · Aug 4, 2020

Ours have 5 tail tapes, red bands on both legs and they're in a separate group.

We have multiple milkers so I would never have AB cows running with milkers.

Beef farmer · Aug 4, 2020

Loads of spray marker, ankle tapes each side.

Anyone using tech on a parlour to stop a cow being put on is beyond mad. Auto id is a mile off being 100% accurate. Maybe on a robot where only 1 cow enters, but not a 20 unit parlour

Yale · Aug 4, 2020

As a consumer of milk but not a producer I wouldn’t like antibiotics in my cuppa.

vantage · Aug 4, 2020

ollie989898 said:
I was under the impression a modern parlour won't allow you to put a cow in the tank if it knows her number and knows she has been treated?

AutoID is about 99% accurate, ok as a backup, not as the main defence.

Rossymons · Aug 4, 2020

The AutoID will divert the milk only if you tell the computer that she's on antibiotics.

TomB · Aug 4, 2020

Separate group and red paint, tape and bands.

lazy farmer · Aug 4, 2020

TomB said:
Separate group and red paint, tape and bands.

Bands ?

betweenthelines · Aug 4, 2020

lazy farmer said:
After a long period of little or no failures our milk buyer today sent out a letter to us farmers about a multitude of failures in July.
basically all human error.
what procedures do you have in place to ensure it doesn’t happen on you ?

Truly amazing on 2 counts

1. That your buyer seems to know the cause of every AB failure in the herds that they buy from

2. That the farmers believe that shyte.

I have only one question-How many samples were subject to independent testing?

Even suspected drunk drivers get a chance to have the evidence against them verified.

lazy farmer · Aug 4, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Truly amazing on 2 counts

1. That your buyer seems to know the cause of every AB failure in the herds that they buy from

2. That the farmers believe that shyte.

I have only one question-How many samples were subject to independent testing?

Even suspected drunk drivers get a chance to have the evidence against them verified.

2 tests are done.
I know this because we failed an A test last yr but passed the B test. All tests are done by NML
No conspiracy here. Just good communication along with letting us know that a large tanker failing would cost the farmer 19k roughly.

frederick · Aug 4, 2020

betweenthelines said:
Truly amazing on 2 counts

1. That your buyer seems to know the cause of every AB failure in the herds that they buy from

2. That the farmers believe that shyte.

I have only one question-How many samples were subject to independent testing?

Even suspected drunk drivers get a chance to have the evidence against them verified.

I expect this buyer instigated an investigation in every farm that failed..

Independent testing. Dont understand. Expect this buyer contracts nml to do the test. That's pretty independent for me.

Cows 'n grass · Aug 4, 2020

lazy farmer said:
Bands ?

I know your question was aimed at Tom but I use these.

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Red for AB
Yellow for a front quarter not to be milked
Blue for a back quarter not to be milked.

betweenthelines · Aug 4, 2020

lazy farmer said:
2 tests are done.
I know this because we failed an A test last yr but passed the B test. All tests are done by NML
No conspiracy here. Just good communication along with letting us know that a large tanker failing would cost the farmer 19k roughly.

So the test isn't 100% accurate

betweenthelines · Aug 4, 2020

frederick said:
I expect this buyer instigated an investigation in every farm that failed..

Independent testing. Dont understand. Expect this buyer contracts nml to do the test. That's pretty independent for me.

I worked for one of the major Dairies. All testing was done in-house with about 5% sent off site for verification.

When you have 5 or 6 tankers unloading at once (into 1 or 2 silos) there's no time for pishing about waiting for samples to be retested before a tanker discharges.

All the lab staff were trained up by the company-there're not scientists or chemists by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn't trust them to test my tea for milk and sugar, let alone decide on quality of a product I sell.. But they were better than the tanker drivers who do the on-farm sampling. External lorry wash was built without the recommended drainage (too expensive) so was usually flooded with dirty water-imagine the state of the tankers and the drivers getting in and out 7 or 8 times per shift.

Just ask your buyer if you can have a look around their labs -unannounced.

lazy farmer · Aug 4, 2020

betweenthelines said:
So the test isn't 100% accurate

No test is ?
WDA do two tests
Women usually pee on more than 1 stick.
Agenda you? Never !

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