No very promising for shellfish producers.

Hindsight · Feb 2, 2021

B'o'B said:
It is what we have voted for. It is also partly a consequence of a late trade deal preventing the UK to prepare for unknown outcomes, unfortunately a well established consequence of trying to strike a trade deal with the EU.

And Johnson and his Brexit hoodlums leaving Parliament 3minutes 34 seconds to debate on Xmas Eve. Bounced through. I posted on here at the time the devil would be in the detail of the 1276 pages. Anyway IDS would say who gives a f.....

bobk · Feb 2, 2021

Fair chance the EU get their shells , Scuds . a delicacy I believe

Raider112 · Feb 2, 2021

There's regulations and there's playing silly beggars, before long we are going to have a big surplus of vaccine, sure a few arrangements could be put in place....

Danllan · Feb 2, 2021

czechmate said:
I was thinking just that, surely a stand of solidarity...
I’m bloody sure the french would start gulping down a bit more Limousin if need be

Would they pay as much as the Italians?

czechmate · Feb 2, 2021

Danllan said:
Would they pay as much as the Italians?

I can’t give a simple and quick answer.
Fat bulls go to Italy, pretty much all of them.
A lot of beef in households seems to be cull cows (a lot seems awful to me but you probably need to know how to cook it)
Fat heifers, depending in size go to posh shops and restaurants, in france
All very general of course.
Now, the top price per kilo there is small heifers, then larger heifers, then the bulls and cull cows are similar (cull cow price is variable depending on age, quality of course). Old bulls dead cheap and I don’t know where they go.

B'o'B · Feb 2, 2021

Hindsight said:
And Johnson and his Brexit hoodlums leaving Parliament 3minutes 34 seconds to debate on Xmas Eve. Bounced through. I posted on here at the time the devil would be in the detail of the 1276 pages. Anyway IDS would say who gives a f.....

But was it ever going to end any differently. The EU where never going to be in a hurry to officially part ways with the UK, they definitely don’t want the UK to have a nice time post Brexit if they can possibly prevent it. Not that I blame them for that, it’s how it operates.

Bongodog · Feb 2, 2021

Seems to me that we really didn't ought to be exporting potentially toxic shellfish to anyone EU or non EU. Big question is though, did it always get thoroughly purified at destination or was it conveniently waved through ?

le bon paysan · Feb 2, 2021

B'o'B said:
It is what we have voted for. It is also partly a consequence of a late trade deal preventing the UK to prepare for unknown outcomes, unfortunately a well established consequence of trying to strike a trade deal with the EU.

You were offered Equivalency and turned it down. Self inflicted.
Barnier offered you Norway, he offered you Switzerland , he offered you Canada +++ , he even offered you a tailor made UK deal . DEFRA begged for equivalency and it was all turned down!
Ask yourself why and who stands to make the most?

B'o'B · Feb 2, 2021

le bon paysan said:
You were offered Equivalency and turned it down. Self inflicted.
Barnier offered you Norway, he offered you Switzerland , he offered you Canada +++ , he even offered you a tailor made UK deal . DEFRA begged for equivalency and it was all turned down!
Ask yourself why and who stands to make the most?

Did all those things he offered come for free?

le bon paysan · Feb 2, 2021

czechmate said:
I can’t give a simple and quick answer.
Fat bulls go to Italy, pretty much all of them.
A lot of beef in households seems to be cull cows (a lot seems awful to me but you probably need to know how to cook it)
Fat heifers, depending in size go to posh shops and restaurants, in france
All very general of course.
Now, the top price per kilo there is small heifers, then larger heifers, then the bulls and cull cows are similar (cull cow price is variable depending on age, quality of course). Old bulls dead cheap and I don’t know where they go.

Bulls=woof!

czechmate · Feb 2, 2021

le bon paysan said:
Bulls=woof!

I thought maybe mince

le bon paysan · Feb 2, 2021

B'o'B said:
Did all those things he offered come for free?

Of course not . Deals work both ways.
Think why Boris and rishi money trees would want it pared right down. All this rubbish and winding things up in the press, who does it benefit.?
Rishi wants Singapore!

Who will make lots of

!
Clue, it won't be 99% of the UK

Danllan · Feb 2, 2021

Hindsight said:
And Johnson and his Brexit hoodlums leaving Parliament 3minutes 34 seconds to debate on Xmas Eve. Bounced through. I posted on here at the time the devil would be in the detail of the 1276 pages. Anyway IDS would say who gives a f.....

Just noticed that; if Parliament had wanted any longer, it could have ordered HMG to make the time and HMG would have had no choice but to obey, we know this because of the superb remain-backed Court case that got the Supremes to restate the bleeding obvious - that Parliament is Sovereign. But Parliament didn't want extra time, so it didn't demand any.

le bon paysan said:
Of course not . Deals work both ways.
Think why Boris and rishi money trees would want it pared right down. All this rubbish and winding things up in the press, who does it benefit.?
Rishi wants Singapore!
Who will make lots of !
Clue, it won't be 99% of the UK

If you care so much about the poor, why not tell us how much time you've spent helping those in the banlieues drag themselves up into the working classes, or is that different?

B'o'B · Feb 2, 2021

le bon paysan said:
Of course not . Deals work both ways.
Think why Boris and rishi money trees would want it pared right down. All this rubbish and winding things up in the press, who does it benefit.?
Rishi wants Singapore!
Who will make lots of !
Clue, it won't be 99% of the UK

We have no choice but to give it time to see what develops.
I have been well aware that our post-Brexit path would not be easy, since before the vote. But Brexit can’t be judged in a month or even a year. A decade? Well maybe.
As you say deals work both ways, if there is ever going to be a “Brexit benefit” it won’t come from being too closely tied up to the EU will it?
It’s going to hurt, but I accept that the EU wasn’t moving in a direction that the majority of people in the UK who voted wanted (in a way twice). The EU didn’t think that was going to be an issue before 2016, turned out it was. No good either of us moaning about it now.

Ashtree · Feb 2, 2021

Team Brexit has gone and done this deal with the Eurocrats. There was much backslapping and fist pumping at the final whistle. The captain announced “great tidings” just in time for Christmas. Brexit had finally been done!
The considered opinion of TFF’s own Brexit supporters club, was that Team Blighty had indeed gotten a very, very good deal. They opined that indeed, Blighty had got the upper hand on old Barnier. Technical analysis and legal advice from coach @Danllan served to reassure the supporters club that the deal was a clear win for Britain.
Discuss.....

le bon paysan · Feb 2, 2021

B'o'B said:
We have no choice but to give it time to see what develops.
I have been well aware that our post-Brexit path would not be easy, since before the vote. But Brexit can’t be judged in a month or even a year. A decade? Well maybe.
As you say deals work both ways, if there is ever going to be a “Brexit benefit” it won’t come from being too closely tied up to the EU will it?
It’s going to hurt, but I accept that the EU wasn’t moving in a direction that the majority of people in the UK who voted wanted (in a way twice). The EU didn’t think that was going to be an issue before 2016, turned out it was. No good either of us moaning about it now.

Pretty fair assessment

The problem is/ was that the EU were a convenient excuse, the more the sh!t show can be blamed on the EU the better now.
It could have been a smoother transition.
Boris and co. don't want that.
It suits their agenda.
Always ask why!

manhill · Feb 2, 2021

Martin Holden said:
Yup. That will help the food miles. This is a forgotten issue at the moment. Watching David Attenborough’s Planet Earth last Sunday we are all on a “first class ticket to hell” if we don’t change our habits. The ozone layer must be better now given the lack of passenger planes zipping all over the place? Can we develop enough power from the elements. Now if we could capture the electricity from lightening and store it wow, that would charge a few electric cars! Mind you can you imagine silent WRC cars in the forests?? Wouldn’t that be weird.

Yeah, do a Benjamin Franklin!

beardface · Feb 2, 2021

Surely this is an opportunity to move processing and jobs to the UK instead of yet more outsourcing. The added benefit being that the EU will no longer be the major beneficiary (or is that fishery) of our catch.

B'o'B · Feb 2, 2021

le bon paysan said:
Pretty fair assessment
The problem is/ was that the EU were a convenient excuse, the more the sh!t show can be blamed on the EU the better now.
It could have been a smoother transition.
Boris and co. don't want that.
It suits their agenda.
Always ask why!

I don’t think the EU really wanted Brexit to run smoothly either without extracting their pound (or 2 or 3) of flesh as recompense for the UKs audacity in voting to leave. At least Westminster can’t hide behind the EU as an excuse now.

le bon paysan · Feb 2, 2021

B'o'B said:
I don’t think the EU really wanted Brexit to run smoothly either without extracting their pound (or 2 or 3) of flesh as recompense for the UKs audacity in voting to leave. At least Westminster can’t hide behind the EU as an excuse now.

They do keep trying!

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