Paddington
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- Location
- Soggy Shropshire
I read the leaflet as the trust were relying on natural boundaries, but as beavers can swim, climb hills and cross roads I'm not sure what these are, the sea ?
DEFRA consultation on on approach to beaver reintroduction and management in England
- Thread starter holwellcourtfarm
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- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
It's clear that beavers do tunnel into river banks.
The UK has many locations, especially in the Eastern region, where embankments hold raised rivers in a fashion critical to current land use. It cannot, imho, be appropriate for the land owners or river operators to have to go through a slow and costly process to achieve control of beaver damage to those embankments. Serious damage will ensue long before control licences get issued.
The whole process would also depend on the criteria that NE chose to use in deciding applications for a licence to control them (whether it be removing beaver dams (because under the proposals the dams would be protected in law), relocating the beavers or using lethal control).
Who trusts NE to be pragmatic on this point given their culture to date?
The UK has many locations, especially in the Eastern region, where embankments hold raised rivers in a fashion critical to current land use. It cannot, imho, be appropriate for the land owners or river operators to have to go through a slow and costly process to achieve control of beaver damage to those embankments. Serious damage will ensue long before control licences get issued.
The whole process would also depend on the criteria that NE chose to use in deciding applications for a licence to control them (whether it be removing beaver dams (because under the proposals the dams would be protected in law), relocating the beavers or using lethal control).
Who trusts NE to be pragmatic on this point given their culture to date?
Paddington
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- Location
- Soggy Shropshire
I suppose if they got a lot of stuffed badgers beavers and made a wall with them they could protect Frankwell car park...
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I made this point, albeit in a less erudite manner, in my response.
I'd say a Motorway with concrete central reservation would possibly work as a boundary... or London.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Don't count on London. If this goes ahead as planned beavers we'll be right in the middle of London via the Lee Valley Park and the South London rivers.....
Nearly
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- Location
- North of York
So it looks like it's a battle between badger and beaver for the British countryside. 
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Does anyone know if Archie Ruggles-Brise is a TFF member? He had been host to a beaver trial and would have first hand experience.
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matthew
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- Location
- Cornwall, SW England
I believe that the pilot scheme of beavering in East Devon sort of 'lost' a few. So the fenced area was anything but secure. They're already out there.....
This crazy idea is being sold to the unwary as 'flood prevention', but what it means in reality is that land owned and farmed by someone else is rendered a wetland swamp. This to mop up daft planning decisions which have allowed dwellings to be built on flood plains, and lack of maintenance on existing drainage channels.
This crazy idea is being sold to the unwary as 'flood prevention', but what it means in reality is that land owned and farmed by someone else is rendered a wetland swamp. This to mop up daft planning decisions which have allowed dwellings to be built on flood plains, and lack of maintenance on existing drainage channels.
- Location
- Gosberton
Filled in the survey for them 
Nearly
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- Location
- North of York
Any way to persuade the beavers to locate downstream of such housing developments?
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
It’s frustrating that “democracy” just doesn’t work in situations like this.
Those who create these situations aren’t accountable….those who release beavers aren’t accountable….but you can be sure as anything that anyone who took matters into their own hands to protect their own property would be held fully accountable.
Oh, and most consultation responses that don’t support it will be ignored. That’s the worst failing of the supposed democratic process.
ollie989898
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It is crazy, simple as that. The second a major drainage culvert is blocked by these fudging things and we get a good go of heavy rain a motorway or dual carriageway will be washed away leaving the authorities with a bill for 1 million quid they will realise the things need to be hunted down and eliminated again. You wait and see. Fudging EA don't do anything about flooding at the minute apart from don their extra special emergency hi-vis and drive around in pick ups to point at things so I suppose a whole lot more won't make any difference to them.
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
but, when that happens "lessons will be learned" and nothing will change!
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
The big problem we have in the UK, is the majority of the population do not realise that we have managed the countryside and land to produce food, and altering the balance of our countryside will have consequences to our food supply. I think both Covid and shortages of transport workers has shown us how long and tenuous our food supply system is.
All this, is without thinking, what gives someone (environmentalists/re wilders) the right to let loose an animal that will fundamentally alter and devalue my legal asset, my land?
All this, is without thinking, what gives someone (environmentalists/re wilders) the right to let loose an animal that will fundamentally alter and devalue my legal asset, my land?
ollie989898
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The biggest problem we have is that the people in positions of authority and average joe on the street have basically zero knowledge and zero experience and even less accountability for anything.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
It's a culture that stuff can be done ......without actually doing anything? Fix flooding with a digger, nah mate these beavers will do it all for us? Promote the idea of people living near their work? Nah mate, few trees will allow us to make zero changes. Bag and remove your dog crap? Nah, biodegradable innit. Just use a stick and flick it into that field.
Anyone mentioned Coypu.....?
matthew
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- Location
- Cornwall, SW England
Yup - me. Just the same in the Norfolk area. Or were.