- Location
- North Notts
It's a big ask to commit to another 10 years if no payment increases.
Countryside stewardship extension offer
- Thread starter Jack Russell
- Start date
livestock 1
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I’m not running NE.
CS isn’t very exciting to me
livestock 1
Member
My first agreements had a 5 year break option
livestock 1
Member
It is that’s right. Any offer of CS was actually less
Yes mine had 5yr break options aswell which must have run out when we joined CS.. i just never remember being allowed to just keep going with ELS in 2017 because they wanted everyone to join CS mid tier or Higher Tier at that point and another 5yrs has passed since then.. HLS obviously might have a few more years to run including extensions.. The feeling for most farmers is mutual about NE!
Maybe if you ran Natural England you could confuse us more than they do
CS certainly never came close to intensive industrial livestock farming.. fair call sir...
spin cycle
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- Location
- north norfolk
I got email today about 't&cs' of stewardship...nae effect me...BUT...then went on 'rabbiting'....my take was if you're in an agreement you could opt to take out another to starting 2024...effectively cancelling your current one and starting anew as long as the replacement was of 'higher enviro. value"
anybody else have email/ feel the same?
anybody else have email/ feel the same?
Yeah!! Just recieved it!! Had to log back on because earlier today i was trolled as talking BS.. maybe DEFRA goons are actually watching TFF threads but i will say it one last time tonight.. STAY WELL AWAY FROM SFI until they tell us all options from ELM,s .. back to the crack pipe now
Adobe Acrobat
- Location
- Devon
Has the legal situation been established as to the implications of extending an agreement as opposed to renewing one?
Ask the RPA as they change the rules as they go along
- Location
- Devon
The RPA MIGHT tell you if any penalties would apply to the extended 5 years or the whole 15 years.
What would be good, is to have independent legal advice on how Natural England could potentially apply restrictions/ designations to land that has been in an agreement for 10/15 years through extension compared to having consecutive short agreements.
spin cycle
Member
- Location
- north norfolk
if you start afresh you're unlikely to use exactly the same options so there's no arguement
an extension is just that....tricky IMO
- Location
- South east
I signed up to a mirror agreement which I thoughts was a just a new agreement with the same revenue options as the original?
Does it matter if you are doing what you signed up to do and they pay the agreed amount?
Or is the issue uncertainty as to what needs to be maintained or the timescales?
- Location
- Devon
The main issue is that renewing would mean having concurrent agreements compared to one long agreement if it is extended.
Although in practice it seems the same thing, I think legally they differ as technically you regain control and management for the brief moment between 1 agreement ending and the next beginning. This would make it unlikely that they could change a designation of land due to uninterrupted change compared to 1 extended agreement.
I don't know, it just worries me.
What I do know is;
This year I have been given many quotes to supply goods. Some have been valid for a few weeks, some for days and some for only hours.
Who the hell else [other than a farmer], would contemplate agreeing to working to quote given 10 years ago and lasting another 5 years!!
Yes it is a very fair point but once ELM,s is complete we can sack it off... its just temporary insurance to continue these schemes in the current climate
I am concerned that, if RPA successfuly claim that there is a breach of an EXTENDED agreement, they could impose penalties right back to the start date of our original agreement in 1998.
How is it possible to avoid this possibility? I am happy that RPA might be able to go back to the start of a NEW agreement, but not that they could go right back to 1998.
An earlier post refers to a MIRROR agreement? What does this mean? Is it just another name for an EXTENSION (which is now being offered) or is a brand new agreement with identical terms to the previous agreememt, with a break between the old and the new agreements?
Has anyone any experience of a brand new agreement (not an extension) which would therefore limit the RPA's ability to go back further than the start date of the new agreement?
How is it possible to avoid this possibility? I am happy that RPA might be able to go back to the start of a NEW agreement, but not that they could go right back to 1998.
An earlier post refers to a MIRROR agreement? What does this mean? Is it just another name for an EXTENSION (which is now being offered) or is a brand new agreement with identical terms to the previous agreememt, with a break between the old and the new agreements?
Has anyone any experience of a brand new agreement (not an extension) which would therefore limit the RPA's ability to go back further than the start date of the new agreement?
To clarify
By "brand new agreement" I mean a new agreement with identical terms to the previous (expiring) agreement which would therefore mirror the expiring agreement, but actually be a brand new agreement
By "brand new agreement" I mean a new agreement with identical terms to the previous (expiring) agreement which would therefore mirror the expiring agreement, but actually be a brand new agreement
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