Lee Anderson vs Mayor of London

tractorsandcows

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A while ago plenty of people were claiming that a protestant party from NI were in control of the Tory party trying to get Brexit through, plenty in this forum claim that a pig could stand in some constituencies and get elected due to white middle class voters. How many times was Corbyn said to be controlled by the Russians or even Boris being paid by them to push leave during the referendum?Now every time these claims are made the person making them isn't criticised or condemned for being racist or fascist, I thought we had free speech in this country, obviously not . It makes no difference whether he was right or wrong, all he said was SK was being controlled by a particular group of people, is a sitting MP now not allowed to have an opinion?
Only if it is the "correct" opinion
 

tractorsandcows

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Whoa hold on, what are you suggesting? These people are, like it or not British citizens and have the same rights as the rest of us. I don't have the answers to better social integration, but the government should at the very least have control on who and how many come into the UK in the future.
It's bizarre that the likes of Sweden pro rata is managing to deport more Brits back to the UK since Brexit per year, than the UK is with all its bogus asylum seekers.
May be deporting more brits but are they managing to deport many radical muslims or sex convict muslim immigrants/assylum seekers
 

Lowland1

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Danllan

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I’m not a racist. Fair enough. 99.9% of Muslims are not bad people he says but some are . He’d probably not be welcome on this Forum with those lefty views.
Surely a similar proportion of Muslims will be bad as you will find in any other section of the population, won't they?

What he should have said is that 100% on 'Muslims' are followers of a delusional cult that advocates demands barbaric things of its followers.

Have you any arguments to support the contention that having several millions of Muslims here in the UK has been and is a good thing for the general population?
 

Lowland1

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Surely a similar proportion of Muslims will be bad as you will find in any other section of the population, won't they?

What he should have said is that 100% on 'Muslims' are followers of a delusional cult that advocates demands barbaric things of its followers.

Have you any arguments to support the contention that having several millions of Muslims here in the UK has been and is a good thing for the general population?
According to you all religions are delusional cults. As with Christianity there are many different sects and divisions all having a different take on their religion and its observance all with different levels of barbarism.
Is having millions of Muslims in the UK a good thing ? Probably not but they are here now and there are going to be more of them and like it or not the percentage of the white indigenous population is going to decline.
 
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Muck Spreader

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According to you all religions are delusional cults. As with Christianity there are many different sects and divisions all having a different take on their religion and its observance all with different levels of barbarism.
Is having millions of Muslims in the UK a good thing ? Probably not but they are here now and there are going to be more of them and like it or not the percentage of the white indigenous population is going to decline.
Personally wouldn't say these gun toting evangelical US Christians would be any more desirable than Muslims.

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Danllan

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According to you all religions are delusional cults. As with Christianity there are many different sects and divisions all having a different take on their religion and its observance all with different levels of barbarism.
Is having millions of Muslims in the UK a good thing ? Probably not but they are here now and there are going to be more of them and like it or not the percentage of the white indigenous population is going to decline.
That's the most honest post I've seen from 'that side' of the discussion for long time, thank you.

Yep, all religions are by definition delusional, no argument with that; and there are particularly dodgy elements in many of them, probably most. But Islam is by far the most concerning, for reasons we all know and which aren't argued against by anyone serious.

With regard to your last point, it is true at current rates but, for reasons mentioned earlier, I don't think it is inevitable. Most people - and peoples - who finally realise that they are in an existential crisis, do something about it, I don't see why the people of the UK should be any different in that.
 

Hindsight

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Yes, questions can be worded to incline a response one way or another, for example toward a preferred result rather than an alternative. However I 100% guarantee you that the response I would like to my question is not the one that most (all?) would give.

Your last sentence is rather telling; when I ask a question I want an honest and correct answer to it, you seem to be after a 'right' answer, i.e. one that is your desired response and that will lead to your desired conclusion...

That is the start of the path to disaster, any competent and accountable decision making needs genuine facts to work from, and then to decide appropriately based upon those facts. Working from data (in this case survey questions) geared to give you the 'right answers' to your questions will give you the end result you want, but that won't be the right one. (y)
You say correct he says right. Explain the difference. You sound all legally barristery speak to me.
 

hoff135

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What I find puzzling is the radical left, and islam/gaza war/mass immigration go hand in hand. The radical left are big supporters of lgbt, feminism and many other western liberal ideologies. Back home in many of these Muslim countries they would throw members of lgbt of a roof top or stone women to death for speaking her mind or leaving her husband.
 

Lowland1

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What I find puzzling is the radical left, and islam/gaza war/mass immigration go hand in hand. The radical left are big supporters of lgbt, feminism and many other western liberal ideologies. Back home in many of these Muslim countries they would throw members of lgbt of a roof top or stone women to death for speaking her mind or leaving her husband.
I'm not sure where you get this stuff from. Muslims definitely don't like homosexuality but then neither do Christians. A quick google of the Quran says that you should be kind to your wife even after divorce. We've got several Muslim couples as friends and I really don't think the husbands would ever consider chucking stones at the wife after an argument. I think you can disagree with what Israel is doing in Gaza without supporting the Islamic religion and a lot of it's outdated views.
 

hoff135

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I'm not sure where you get this stuff from. Muslims definitely don't like homosexuality but then neither do Christians. A quick google of the Quran says that you should be kind to your wife even after divorce. We've got several Muslim couples as friends and I really don't think the husbands would ever consider chucking stones at the wife after an argument. I think you can disagree with what Israel is doing in Gaza without supporting the Islamic religion and a lot of it's outdated views.
I might be picking extreme examples such as when isis were throwing homosexuals off of buildings. But to me it looks like it's the liberal/left are most in favour of high immigration, taking refugees etc, despite many of these people come from cultures that are fundamentally opposed to lgbt, and woman's rights. I can't see that just because they arrive in Britain they are suddenly going to develop Liberal values.
 

Swarfmonkey

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I'm not sure where you get this stuff from. Muslims definitely don't like homosexuality but then neither do Christians. A quick google of the Quran says that you should be kind to your wife even after divorce. We've got several Muslim couples as friends and I really don't think the husbands would ever consider chucking stones at the wife after an argument. I think you can disagree with what Israel is doing in Gaza without supporting the Islamic religion and a lot of it's outdated views.

This might answer some of your questions. Execution for homosexuality seems to be a common theme.
 

Burrell Road Loco

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Personally wouldn't say these gun toting evangelical US Christians would be any more desirable than Muslims.

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I haven’t heard of any Christian groups bombing teenage girls at pop concerts in the Middle East, or commuters on the Tube in Tehran.
There are bad people throughout the world of all religions, but most religions don’t reward killing non believers in their holy scriptures.
 

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