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Lee Anderson vs Mayor of London
- Thread starter Burrell Road Loco
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Abso;utely correct. You don`t have to align yourself with anything or anybody. Be your own person and speak your own mind. I have no time for religion or football lunatics but I believe in the rule of law and peaceful co-existance. Neither of the two examples fit with my own criteria.
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I am sure you are correct, but Netanyahu was democratically elected by them and he has never made a secret of his position over the Palestinian people. We can hope the moment this carnage stops he will be toast, but the damage has already been done.
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That’s never happened before. I’ve been cancelled. The basic tenet was if there wasn’t religion people would find other things to follow. I mentioned Fendt v Valtra causing much animosity. Maybe that was it.
Many people feel that they have to identify with something. Maybe they feel safer or more empowered or simply get a buzz from it. Tribalism is often used to describe this but to my mind true tribalism is more akin to an extended family or stretching it further, to nationalism.
I am sure that a good many Jews would have been unidentifiable as such if they had not metaphorically worn their badge on their sleeve.
I can think of no religion that has much basis in truth and most are no better than Voodooism or Aboriginal dream time theories..
I am sure that a good many Jews would have been unidentifiable as such if they had not metaphorically worn their badge on their sleeve.
I can think of no religion that has much basis in truth and most are no better than Voodooism or Aboriginal dream time theories..
essex man
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We evolved in groups of around 150-200.
The time since this stopped being the case is insignificant in evolutionary terms.
Our instincts/responses are therefore not matched with our environment
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I see this situation and other similar instances as being the thin end of the wedge. I was brought up to respect the law of the land and the “when in Rome” ideal. Sure we live in a multiracial society but I don’t think we should letting any laws lax due to any religion based ideals. When we visit other countries we have to respect their laws so it “cuts both ways” or should do. I recall the Seikhs protest about wearing helmets to ride motorbikes and scooters. This was a law passed to protect human life for goodness sake not one made to alienate any section of the community. Influence is all over the place and I’m ok with that provided it doesn’t appear to want to adjust our law.It is a statement of fact that the many in the British 'establishment' are fearful of criticising anything to do with Muslims and Islam. I think it unlikely that either Starmer or Khan are fully 'controlled' by Islamists - I have no doubt whatsoever that both they and others are influenced by Islamists.
Lee Anderson is not the brightest chap in Parliament, but what he has said is not hateful, nor is it incendiary, nor - in my learned opinion- does it amount to incitement. Anderson has spoken as he sees it and I ask any who are critical of him to speak to any Jewish people they know who live in London, and find out their opinions of Khan in his role as Police Commissioner.
This wasn't an attack by Anderson on Khan because he is brown, or because he is a Muslim, or because he is a dishonest and incompetent little turd, it was an attack on him - and Starmer - for having caved in to pressure from 'political Islam', and that accusation is irrefutable.
And I am very, very sorry to write that they aren't the only ones, Labour and the LDs and the SNP have overwhelmingly done so, but so have a great many Tories. This country is being influenced by apotentiallyviolent minority of Muslims, who in turn have the connivance and generally passive support of most other Muslims here.
If any will argue that my last line there is over the top, I suggest they do some homework; go and find 'British' Muslims and just ask them one question: What would they choose, Radical Islam or no Islam in the UK?
@Burrell Road Loco well done for flagging up the point of listening to the whole quote from Anderson.
Is it just me or is there something seriously sickening of seeing Prince William being forced to go & express sympathy for poor Israelis suffering "upset" simply because he expressed sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza last week, you can bet there's government instructions behind this farce!
caveman
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Divine intervention
Hindsight
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Hindsight
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Yes, I though the reference to Fend vs Valtra plumbed the depths of depravity. I was surprised you are not banned - not just redacted.
WAs he a Christian Thought he was seeking revenge for Waco
You’re talking about events that happened the best part of a 1000 years ago in the Middle East, whereas I’m discussing modern events that have occurred in the UK over the last 20 years, and how finally a public figure has had the courage to publicly discuss the effects it’s had on our politicians.
Hell let’s bring Ghegis Khan into the conversation too, or the Arab / East Africa slave trade. History has lots of bloodshed on all sides.
Next you’ll have us apologising for spending millions and sending a navy across the globe for decades, to eliminate the worldwide slave trade.
However if you had compared modern Christian values to modern extremist Islamic values, both within the UK, then yes the difference is about 1000 years apart.
Danllan
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No, that doesn't stand up to a rational examination. There is no promise made to even Man Utd. supporters that, if they kill / die for their cause, they will have eternal life and everything they want.
And it is that fundamental - no pun intended - dogma that separates religious fanaticism from the 'sides' in nor-supernatural disputes. Only when impossible lies are taken as fact will ordinary people do appalling things on 'faith' alone.
Swarfmonkey
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Waco and the Ruby Ridge debacle if I remember correctly.
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I'm pretty sure it does stand up to examination.
If there was no religions to follow then people would find other groups to be part of . Who knows what philosophies those groups would evolve . Just because today Man Utd fans believe that a second rate team is worthy of their following thirty years from now with their continuing decline and obscurity they may decide an attack on the golden temple of Anfield in the name of the prophet Alex Ferguson is their only way of making themselves heard.Who knows what promises would be made to the fool's.
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God drives a Claas .
caveman
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And the Devil uses a Mengele forager to reap his harvest
Danllan
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No. There is no unquestionable truth and promise of eternal reward or eternal pain after death.
There is no absolute and unquestionable order to kill, mutilate, imprison or otherwise persecute.
It is a crap analogy for such a serious matter, and ignoring these facts won't make it a good one.
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No. A statement was made saying it would be a better world without religion. My answer is if you banned religion people would find other groups to be part of. Who knows what benefits would be on offer to those groups. It does not need to be a religion per se to encourage people to carry out unspeakable acts against people you feel are inferior. A case in point being the Nazis or Stalins Russia. I use analogies because I think they are easier for you to understand.