£61 million missing from Scotland ring fenced agri budget, it has doubled since I last put this up !

[willyorkshire]

Must be some campervan.

She just blamed Brexit.

 

[Goweresque]

‘Ring fence’ usually means that it cannot be used for other purposes. I’ve just checked a dictionary definition and, from Oxford Languages...
guarantee that (funds allocated for a particular purpose) will not be spent on anything else.
"the government failed to ring-fence the money provided to schools"

So if it was indeed ring-fenced then, since it is missing from the allocated budget, it must have been mis-used. Effectively, stolen from the allocated ring-fenced budget.

Its a political promise. They aren't legally binding, like pretty much everything a politician says. Michael Gove said an ELMS application was going to be something a farmer could do on his own in an afternoon. It isn't, but you can't sue him for it.

 

[d williams]

Must be some campervan.

f**king incompetent to the highest level how long are the Scots going to put up with it ?? Are they capable of independence they don’t seem capable of handling money never mind a country

 

[SolwayFarmer]

So if farmers are looking for a reason to demonstrate then all of the above is a good enough reason

Absolutely. Time to rise up and make a difference. Nfus have rolled over and had their belly tickled by Mhari and Co so we can’t rely on them.

 

[SolwayFarmer]

the missing £61 million should give Scottish farmers a real good reason to rise up and protest. First minister and gougeon are at the nfus agm this week. Would it be bad form to start there?

 

[Hilly]

the missing £61 million should give Scottish farmers a real good reason to rise up and protest. First minister and gougeon are at the nfus agm this week. Would it be bad form to start there?

never seems much thirst for it …..

 

[banjo]

the missing £61 million should give Scottish farmers a real good reason to rise up and protest. First minister and gougeon are at the nfus agm this week. Would it be bad form to start there?

Absolutely spot on and I wonder why the farming press and Nfu seem to not bring this up and force an answer out of the civil servants and the ministers involve, seems very fishy to me !

 

[SolwayFarmer]

Absolutely spot on and I wonder why the farming press and Nfu seem to not bring this up and force an answer out of the civil servants and the ministers involve, seems very fishy to me !

Farming press particularly Scottish Farmer is way to SNP “friendly”. Scot Gov have NFUS dancing to their tune so Scots farming industry haven’t any defenders from these two!

 

[Farma Parma]

Must be some campervan.

 

[Cowabunga]

Its a political promise. They aren't legally binding, like pretty much everything a politician says. Michael Gove said an ELMS application was going to be something a farmer could do on his own in an afternoon. It isn't, but you can't sue him for it.

On the contrary, ‘ring fencing’ implies that something is protected and binding. Otherwise why ‘ring fence’ or even mention that binding fence that pens stuff in?

 

[Flyingscotsman]

Nah , they’ve used it to contribute towards getting a ferry in the water ….

 

[Goweresque]

On the contrary, ‘ring fencing’ implies that something is protected and binding. Otherwise why ‘ring fence’ or even mention that binding fence that pens stuff in?

Because its politically expedient to do so. 'We've ringfenced the NHS budget' sounds good. It doesn't mean anything, because no Parliament can bind another, so what one Parliament enacts another can un-enact. Otherwise we'd have the same laws the first ever Parliament enacted, forever. Ditto tax rates, spending budgets etc etc. The law cannot create tax revenue into being. If a politician says 'The budget for X is ringfenced and guaranteed for 5 years' and there's a massive economic collapse and tax revenues fall through the floor, and the government can't borrow money either because no one wants to lend it money, how exactly can that spending pledge be enforced, if the money no longer is there to fund it?

 

[Cowabunga]

Because its politically expedient to do so. 'We've ringfenced the NHS budget' sounds good. It doesn't mean anything, because no Parliament can bind another, so what one Parliament enacts another can un-enact. Otherwise we'd have the same laws the first ever Parliament enacted, forever. Ditto tax rates, spending budgets etc etc. The law cannot create tax revenue into being. If a politician says 'The budget for X is ringfenced and guaranteed for 5 years' and there's a massive economic collapse and tax revenues fall through the floor, and the government can't borrow money either because no one wants to lend it money, how exactly can that spending pledge be enforced, if the money no longer is there to fund it?

Oh but budgets that are ring fenced like for the NHS are indeed ring fenced. How it is spent within that fence is what other devolved parliaments or departments can decide. For instance much of Welsh NHS ring fenced funding goes on free prescriptions and free hospital parking. If the money is allocated to a ring fenced sector then it should stay within that fence. It is up to the relevant authorities whether they waste it or make best use of it, all within the fence. A very high proportion of Welsh rural spending is financing stuff like, for example, Farming Connect which employs a few people, holds a few training meetings, subsidise some consultancy costs including paying mentors, which are often large scale big-spenders that encourage other youngsters to join them in a metaphorical club of multi-million Pound debt-ridden businesses, and so on but basically is very poor value and unproductive.

 

[banjo]

The last £30 million went allegedly on planting trees ( forestry ) instead of agriculture, same in wales !

Right all msm farming journalist, farmers weekly, farmers guardian, etc get your pens out and do some work.
I’ve done a bit more digging and here is where the money has gone £4.7 billion is the total Scottish climate yearly spending and they have been removing huge amounts of money off other ring fenced areas to pay for it all. £750 million has vanished into this abyss from selling wind farm plots without any explanation or accountability at all, can you believe it !
this is actual financial fraud and misspending on an industrial scale taking off agricultur, etc to pay for unaccounted climate projects !

 

[banjo]

Right all msm farming journalist, farmers weekly, farmers guardian, etc get your pens out and do some work.
I’ve done a bit more digging and here is where the money has gone £4.7 billion is the total Scottish climate yearly spending and they have been removing huge amounts of money off other ring fenced areas to pay for it all. £750 million has vanished into this abyss from selling wind farm plots without any explanation or accountability at all, can you believe it !
this is actual financial fraud and misspending on an industrial scale taking off agricultur, etc to pay for unaccounted climate projects !

Bump

 

[melted welly]

Be an interesting conversation today between Humza, Lorna and Patrick. Holyrood likes to make a point of “aligning with Europe”. Europe looks to be cooling on the whole green agenda. Wonder if there‘ll be any influence on future ag policy. Maybe already set.

 

[Welderloon]

Don't forget the much lauded but hugely over budget Queensferry crossing, the AWPR, over time & budget, the purchase of an Angus estate to plant trees on at 3x market value, the list is endless & should carry a warning to everyone that children should never be allowed in a sweetshop unsupervised, the gender nonsense, ferries, bottle re-cycling & numerous other ideas from the masters of dumbf**kery
Wee Krankie & her band of merry muppets made a right royal cluster of it safe in the knowledge they will all be gone before any true responsibility can be attributed, now we have the Terrorist Sympathiser & the remaining masters of dumbf**kery attempting to continue where she left off.
She'll turn on the waterworks in an attempt to dodge blame, then disappear into the sunset with her book deal when in reality she & her co-horts should be hung, drawn & quartered for their criminal activity & disregard for the people of the country

 

[banjo]

Right all msm farming journalist, farmers weekly, farmers guardian, etc get your pens out and do some work.
I’ve done a bit more digging and here is where the money has gone £4.7 billion is the total Scottish climate yearly spending and they have been removing huge amounts of money off other ring fenced areas to pay for it all. £750 million has vanished into this abyss from selling wind farm plots without any explanation or accountability at all, can you believe it !
this is actual financial fraud and misspending on an industrial scale taking off agricultur, etc to pay for unaccounted climate projects !

Where are the farming journalists I challenge them to do a story about this £4.7 billion unaccounted climate budget taking ring fenced money off agriculture in Scotland ( same situation in wales ) cmon get your pens out cos even the Scottish mps were amazed at the situation !

 

[banjo]

Right all msm farming journalist, farmers weekly, farmers guardian, etc get your pens out and do some work.
I’ve done a bit more digging and here is where the money has gone £4.7 billion is the total Scottish climate yearly spending and they have been removing huge amounts of money off other ring fenced areas to pay for it all. £750 million has vanished into this abyss from selling wind farm plots without any explanation or accountability at all, can you believe it !
this is actual financial fraud and misspending on an industrial scale taking off agricultur, etc to pay for unaccounted climate projects !

Right just another update on my personal look at this ( no farming paper or journalists will touch it by the look of it ) I remembered something about the £4.7 billion Scottish unfunded climate budget and I knew I’d seen it somewhere before and here it is, wales with a lesser amount of population has a bigger £4.8 billion climate budget and chooses to take off the agri budget, and not spend that money on the nhs and other public services for the poorer in society !

 

[toquark]

Right just another update on my personal look at this ( no farming paper or journalists will touch it by the look of it ) I remembered something about the £4.7 billion Scottish unfunded climate budget and I knew I’d seen it somewhere before and here it is, wales with a lesser amount of population has a bigger £4.8 billion climate budget and chooses to take off the agri budget, and not spend that money on the nhs and other public services for the poorer in society !
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Is this fact checked? What does “climate change” expenditure consist of?