AB10 Unharvested Cereal Headlands

[Grass And Grain]

Anyone know if this is just for headlands, or can it be over the whole area of the field?

Obviously title of the option is 'Unharvested Cereal HEADLANDS', but in the requirement it says...

'manage as strips or plots at least 6m wide on a part or whole field basis'

Any thoughts?

 

[ploughman1963]

I believe ‘whole field basis’ answers your question- can cover the whole field - ‘min 6 metres’- no maximum

 

[Grass And Grain]

Hopefully you are correct @ploughman1963 . My agent wasn't sure. Think I'll ask RPA, so I've got a written response. Don't want to give them any excuse to not pay up.

 

[Flat 10]

Hopefully you are correct @ploughman1963 . My agent wasn't sure. Think I'll ask RPA, so I've got a written response. Don't want to give them any excuse to not pay up.

You won’t get a reply I doubt.

 

[EJS]

I've put in an application with 4ha AB10 - half a field. Was advised by NE that this was acceptable.

 

[Grass And Grain]

I've put in an application with 4ha AB10 - half a field. Was advised by NE that this was acceptable.

Thankyou, that is helpful.

 

[stillfarm]

Did you do any AB10 in the end?

Any downsides?

Anyone tried a semi- continuous AB10 on the same area of a field for five years? i.e. spray everything off mid Feb each year and possibly respray then reseed close to the end of April.

maybe less spread of weeds than rotating around? But I guess could also work the other way..


Would whole feed have less overall weed burden on cropped areas than part field?

 

[pellow]

Is there conditions regarding plants per m2?

 

[stillfarm]

Is there conditions regarding plants per m2?

No direct condition on plants but there is a condition of 450 to 700 tillers per m2. So sow at lower than normal rate.

 

[Banana Bar]

I heard of someone planning on doing this on several hundred acres on a continual basis (or until the money runs out). No Till, no insecticide and companion crop could possibly go on top?
I guess the population of rats and pigeons will explode.

 

[EJS]

I have 4ha of unharvested cereal in CS that's been in same place for 4yrs - spray off in march and redrill directly in. Haven't had problems with any difficult weeds - loads of thistles that I don't worry about. I let my sheep out on it in feb to encourage any seeds to be eaten or stamped down to grow. Thought tgere was a limit on area of 5ha but that might have changed.

 

[stillfarm]

I have 4ha of unharvested cereal in CS that's been in same place for 4yrs - spray off in march and redrill directly in. Haven't had problems with any difficult weeds - loads of thistles that I don't worry about. I let my sheep out on it in feb to encourage any seeds to be eaten or stamped down to grow. Thought tgere was a limit on area of 5ha but that might have changed.

Thanks EJS, that was useful info. I can't see anything about a 5Ha limit in the current guidance. Be interesting to see how it does if you put it back to crop after 5 years.

 

[Grass And Grain]

I have 4ha of unharvested cereal in CS that's been in same place for 4yrs - spray off in march and redrill directly in. Haven't had problems with any difficult weeds - loads of thistles that I don't worry about. I let my sheep out on it in feb to encourage any seeds to be eaten or stamped down to grow. Thought tgere was a limit on area of 5ha but that might have changed.

Could I ask, what time of year have you been drilling it EJS?

I was wondering if very late drilled might help with weeds, although I suppose it says "spring sown" cereal.

 

[Will 1594]

Could I ask, what time of year have you been drilling it EJS?

I was wondering if very late drilled might help with weeds, although I suppose it says "spring sown" cereal.

let grass weeds come spray off light cultivation 100 kg seed off heap cleaned through cleaner auger drill it may time
do this for neighbour we put in tricky bits or like this time about 10 acre of 60 that got hammered with spuds
will give time to totally dry out give it a good riving up and bit barley triticale mustard radish etc shut gate till next feb £1074 ha thanks

 

[BenAdamsAgri]

Would not touch the option at all, becomes a heaven for rats

 

[EJS]

Could I ask, what time of year have you been drilling it EJS?

I was wondering if very late drilled might help with weeds, although I suppose it says "spring sown" cereal.

I drilled yesterday- it's light chalky ground. Just spray off and top then drilled with tine drill. 170kg/ha grows weedy but not bothered - nothing that can't be controlled in future. Bg doesn't like it as no fertiliser and not heavy. Haven't noticed rats but have a good population of buzzards. Been in same spot for 3 years - very happy with increased payment