Agriculture Bill back on the table, says ALA

Chris F

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Received this today -

The Agriculture Bill – along with several other draft Bills - could come back to Parliament following the landslide victory for the Conservatives in the General Election.

After months of uncertainty, stagnation and frustrating weather, a new Parliament may at last start to provide much needed direction to farmers, says Mike Holland, secretary and adviser to the Agricultural Law Association (ALA).

“Since the EU referendum in 2016 policy efforts have been redirected towards sustainability, environmental practices and increased productivity in farming,” he explains. “We hope that under the re-elected Conservative Government we will soon begin to receive details of proposed legislation to which we can contribute and liaise on with DEFRA.”

The rural sector has had significant input into the Government’s emerging policy and legislative framework on farming, environment and trade; including the Health and Harmony consultation, the 25-year Environment Plan, integrating natural capital and ELMs, adds Mr Holland. “The hope is that a prompt Queen’s Speech will start to cement the direction of policy as soon as possible.”

So what can farmers expect now?

Before the General Election was called new policy was being directed at increasing biodiversity, minimising and offsetting farming’s environmental impacts, as well as creating clean air and water and enabling the transition away from direct payments.

“The natural assets of land are likely to play an increasingly vital role - not just as the bedrock of agricultural enterprises, but in providing farmers with future financial opportunities to protect and enhance the environment,” says Mr Holland.

Climate change and carbon trading is also a huge topic of conversation and farmers are likely to see increasing prospects to weave this into their current business structures.

The previous iteration of the Agriculture Bill still had many stages to pass before the final version, warns Mr Holland. “Early indications from Government on the direction of policy and proposed legislation will be necessary to assist anyone with an interest in land and its management.”

The industry has submitted detailed and considered proposals for the shape of the sector and the legislation affecting it post-Brexit. “As the Government works towards the UK’s exit from the EU, we look forward to a progressive legislative agenda in the new Parliament to secure the future direction of agriculture.”

For more information visit www.ala.org.uk.
 
Received this today -

The Agriculture Bill – along with several other draft Bills - could come back to Parliament following the landslide victory for the Conservatives in the General Election.

After months of uncertainty, stagnation and frustrating weather, a new Parliament may at last start to provide much needed direction to farmers, says Mike Holland, secretary and adviser to the Agricultural Law Association (ALA).

“Since the EU referendum in 2016 policy efforts have been redirected towards sustainability, environmental practices and increased productivity in farming,” he explains. “We hope that under the re-elected Conservative Government we will soon begin to receive details of proposed legislation to which we can contribute and liaise on with DEFRA.”

The rural sector has had significant input into the Government’s emerging policy and legislative framework on farming, environment and trade; including the Health and Harmony consultation, the 25-year Environment Plan, integrating natural capital and ELMs, adds Mr Holland. “The hope is that a prompt Queen’s Speech will start to cement the direction of policy as soon as possible.”

So what can farmers expect now?

Before the General Election was called new policy was being directed at increasing biodiversity, minimising and offsetting farming’s environmental impacts, as well as creating clean air and water and enabling the transition away from direct payments.

“The natural assets of land are likely to play an increasingly vital role - not just as the bedrock of agricultural enterprises, but in providing farmers with future financial opportunities to protect and enhance the environment,” says Mr Holland.

Climate change and carbon trading is also a huge topic of conversation and farmers are likely to see increasing prospects to weave this into their current business structures.

The previous iteration of the Agriculture Bill still had many stages to pass before the final version, warns Mr Holland. “Early indications from Government on the direction of policy and proposed legislation will be necessary to assist anyone with an interest in land and its management.”

The industry has submitted detailed and considered proposals for the shape of the sector and the legislation affecting it post-Brexit. “As the Government works towards the UK’s exit from the EU, we look forward to a progressive legislative agenda in the new Parliament to secure the future direction of agriculture.”

For more information visit www.ala.org.uk.
how would the beef farmers cope with no direct payments this year i wonder, or last year with the high feed prices
 

Chris F

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how would the beef farmers cope with no direct payments this year i wonder, or last year with the high feed prices

But farmers won't get no payments. Payments will still be available, but for different things. What those things will actually be though - that's the question.
 

Chris F

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Sounds like they have no specific information about the bill and they are just speculating.

It kind of goes without saying that the conservative written bill is likely to be reintroduced.

This just sounds like a pointless pr puff piece to me?

Depends whether you want to have a say. After this bill I'd suggest the way we farm will look very different. If you have heard Dieter Helm speak, you will know whats in store.
 
No farm could cope with no payments, beef or sheep, if sheep prices stayed at the prices they have been the last few weeks, 70+for stores then maybe most could hand on but how long will that last and if brexit had happened on 1st Nov, well they would have be half the price, the farm sub is pea nuts compared to all those crazy figures talked about in the last month, 52 billion for wasp women. Don't think there will be much change for 4 years anyway. But farmers up here got there lfass loan letter today, 20%less than last year, alot of those big hill places get a fortune from lfa, so maybe that's the start of it, death buy a thousand cuts.
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
a load of Farmers inc myself are involved in a Pilot Scheme to see what we would like from ELMS & how much we should get paid for doing whatever it
is, only at discussion stages atm but should have something in a few months time all on paper, DEFRA might take no notice of any of this of course
we all wait n see
 

Farma Parma

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Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
No farm could cope with no payments, beef or sheep, if sheep prices stayed at the prices they have been the last few weeks, 70+for stores then maybe most could hand on but how long will that last and if brexit had happened on 1st Nov, well they would have be half the price, the farm sub is pea nuts compared to all those crazy figures talked about in the last month, 52 billion for wasp women. Don't think there will be much change for 4 years anyway. But farmers up here got there lfass loan letter today, 20%less than last year, alot of those big hill places get a fortune from lfa, so maybe that's the start of it, death buy a thousand cuts.
The ones who have a fighting chance are the owner occupiers end of. All Tenants days are numbered unless there is a similar level of gov support
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
But farmers won't get no payments. Payments will still be available, but for different things. What those things will actually be though - that's the question.

The major concern I have is that it will turn out like ELS etc.

The cost of doing x, y, z jumping through the hoops wipes out any payment and just gives another layer of things to worry about. One minor mistake and you risk losing a chunk of the payment, despite having laid money out of your own pocket for associated costs.

Plus, it then takes your eye off the ball of the rest of the business.



It's fine for environmental charities etc who just have money to spend on projects to claim this or that grant......farmers need to make a profit to sustain themselves and their business also.
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
The major concern I have is that it will turn out like ELS etc.

The cost of doing x, y, z jumping through the hoops wipes out any payment and just gives another layer of things to worry about. One minor mistake and you risk losing a chunk of the payment, despite having laid money out of your own pocket for associated costs.

Plus, it then takes your eye off the ball of the rest of the business.



It's fine for environmental charities etc who just have money to spend on projects to claim this or that grant......farmers need to make a profit to sustain themselves and their business also.
Yeah i know it has your stress levels thru the roof esp when they find the silliest thing wrong & handups i got it wrong
oh well we will have all the overpaid money back & £500 sep fines on top for every thing wrong
Now that annoys me big style.
What the RPA/DEFRA should do is fully inspect your scheme say 12months after it started & just say if you have have everything in place
as set out in the agreed prescription, if there is issues you agree to sort them within a given timescale then everyone is happy

If only it was done like this.
 
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tepapa

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North Wales
how would the beef farmers cope with no direct payments this year i wonder, or last year with the high feed prices
But the government don't care if you keep beef, sheep, goats, kangaroo's or crocodile's. Future sub will be going environmental you can keep what ever animals you want but they won't be paying you to. (Except for you in Scotland who may still receive your calf payment)
 
No farm could cope with no payments, beef or sheep, if sheep prices stayed at the prices they have been the last few weeks, 70+for stores then maybe most could hand on but how long will that last and if brexit had happened on 1st Nov, well they would have be half the price, the farm sub is pea nuts compared to all those crazy figures talked about in the last month, 52 billion for wasp women. Don't think there will be much change for 4 years anyway. But farmers up here got there lfass loan letter today, 20%less than last year, alot of those big hill places get a fortune from lfa, so maybe that's the start of it, death buy a thousand cuts.
ur saying lfa is down by 20% this year? i thought they were the ones getting all the convergence cash though?
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
i thought the tenants were going to be the unaffected ones as theyd simply have their rent dropped by the sfp amount per acre or so i heard @Clive
Local LA dont seem to think its going to be as easy as this, even tho i completely agree legally it should be...
My subs combined are a bit more than the RENT tho so still a shortfall even if i had the Farm for FREE which is never going to HAPPEN
but unsure how we go forward atm :rolleyes:
 
The major concern I have is that it will turn out like ELS etc.

The cost of doing x, y, z jumping through the hoops wipes out any payment and just gives another layer of things to worry about. One minor mistake and you risk losing a chunk of the payment, despite having laid money out of your own pocket for associated costs.

Plus, it then takes your eye off the ball of the rest of the business.



It's fine for environmental charities etc who just have money to spend on projects to claim this or that grant......farmers need to make a profit to sustain themselves and their business also.
i thought the whole point that farmers voted for brexit was to get rid of all the form filling and red tape?
 
I rent abit 25 acre, years ago he wanted about 90£an acre, so l told him he could claim it himself, so l only pay him 25ish now. He's doing alright out it for old rushy ground me thinks.
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
If payment goes environmental. I could see landlords keeping the land and claiming environmental payments themselves. Could be a loss for the tenants.
Bring it on then i'll happily leave but it will cost them....
There is going to be no love lost if we cant agree & i hope we never get anywhere near that event
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
But the government don't care if you keep beef, sheep, goats, kangaroo's or crocodile's. Future sub will be going environmental you can keep what ever animals you want but they won't be paying you to. (Except for you in Scotland who may still receive your calf payment)

Very true. Animals and environmental benefits could be linked though.

i.e. farmers could use animals as a "tool" to achieve environmental gains e.g. keep down scrub grass etc. (a bit like the National Trust etc are always doing on Countryfile).

The trouble is the payments never seem to allow for the farmer to profit from that - the payment level would be set at pretty much cost price to the farmer so no living to be made at all, and no real freedom of how to use your own land.

Reminds me about a programme I saw about the difference between the Russians and USA when preparing for WW2. Communist vs. Capitalist.
 

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