BCMS changes

[JP1]

Just had the following non-descript email . Just hope my 3 girls keep their legs crossed on that weekend early in October so I don't infringe their reporting rules

Rural Payments Agency

CPH: Our ref: CTS changes (1.0) Dear Sir or Madam As you’re aware, cattle keepers in Great Britain have reported the births, movements, and deaths of their cattle to BCMS’s Cattle Tracing System (CTS) since 1998. This ensures that cattle are traced, and disease management is effectively controlled. These are important factors in supporting the UK beef and dairy industries. Due to the age of the systems at BCMS, we’re developing new arrangements. Each country in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) will in time have its own multi-species tracing service for livestock. The recording of births, movements, and deaths of cattle (currently managed by BCMS) will form part of these new systems and we must make sure effective traceability and disease control continues. As a result, BCMS is undergoing some significant changes, but throughout this we aim to make sure that the services we provide are not disrupted. Changes for Scottish keepers​ The Scottish Government, working with ScotEID, have developed a new service for cattle keepers in Scotland. From May 2021, Scottish livestock markets and abattoirs began to move to this new service, managed by ScotEID, called ScotMoves+. As part of this change, Scottish cattle keepers will also move onto this new system soon. If you’re a cattle keeper in Scotland, you should have received a letter dated 27 July 2021 from the Scottish Government. This letter confirmed that from 4 October 2021, all cattle births, movements, and deaths in Scotland must be reported to ScotMoves+, rather than BCMS. BCMS Cattle Passports that are issued up until this change remain valid in Scotland. If you have any questions or concerns about this change, contact ScotEID by telephone on 01466 794323 or email [email protected]. Changes for English and Welsh keepers​ For English and Welsh keepers, multi-species systems are currently being developed to replace the service provided by BCMS. In the meantime, BCMS will continue to be used in England and Wales. ScotEID will feed their data into CTS so that Great Britain traceability remains in place. In time you may start to see cattle from Scotland with a different type of Cattle Passport. These will have been issued by ScotEID and will be valid for trade in England and Wales. What you need to do​ If you are a cattle keeper in Scotland, you should continue to report births, movements, and deaths through CTS and BCMS until 1 October 2021.From 4 October 2021 you should follow the guidance already provided by ScotEID. CTS will be unavailable between 7pm Friday 1 October and 7am Monday 4 October. You should try to submit notifications to these systems before or after this downtime. If you believe this downtime will result in late movement notifications or late passport applications, you should notify BCMS to make sure that it’s accounted for at BCMS validation in order to avoid any cross-compliance payment reductions. If you are a cattle keeper in England and Wales, you should continue to report cattle births, movements, and deaths to CTS, and contact BCMS as usual. We will send out more information about the changes affecting you later in the year. If you have any questions about this email​ You can email [email protected] or call us on 0345 050 1234 (Monday to Friday 8.30am to 5pm). The helpline for cattle keepers in Wales is 0345 050 3456. Please tell us your County Parish Holding (CPH) which you can find at the top of this email. Yours faithfully Paul Moody BCMS Operations Lead

 

[jamesy]

The one government system that seems to work fairly well.

May as well change it then….

 

[Hampton]

Get ready….the replacement is going to be absolutely sh!t

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Just had the following non-descript email . Just hope my 3 girls keep their legs crossed on that weekend early in October so I don't infringe their reporting rules

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Rural Payments Agency

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CPH: Our ref: CTS changes (1.0) Dear Sir or Madam As you’re aware, cattle keepers in Great Britain have reported the births, movements, and deaths of their cattle to BCMS’s Cattle Tracing System (CTS) since 1998. This ensures that cattle are traced, and disease management is effectively controlled. These are important factors in supporting the UK beef and dairy industries. Due to the age of the systems at BCMS, we’re developing new arrangements. Each country in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) will in time have its own multi-species tracing service for livestock. The recording of births, movements, and deaths of cattle (currently managed by BCMS) will form part of these new systems and we must make sure effective traceability and disease control continues. As a result, BCMS is undergoing some significant changes, but throughout this we aim to make sure that the services we provide are not disrupted. Changes for Scottish keepers​ The Scottish Government, working with ScotEID, have developed a new service for cattle keepers in Scotland. From May 2021, Scottish livestock markets and abattoirs began to move to this new service, managed by ScotEID, called ScotMoves+. As part of this change, Scottish cattle keepers will also move onto this new system soon. If you’re a cattle keeper in Scotland, you should have received a letter dated 27 July 2021 from the Scottish Government. This letter confirmed that from 4 October 2021, all cattle births, movements, and deaths in Scotland must be reported to ScotMoves+, rather than BCMS. BCMS Cattle Passports that are issued up until this change remain valid in Scotland. If you have any questions or concerns about this change, contact ScotEID by telephone on 01466 794323 or email [email protected]. Changes for English and Welsh keepers​ For English and Welsh keepers, multi-species systems are currently being developed to replace the service provided by BCMS. In the meantime, BCMS will continue to be used in England and Wales. ScotEID will feed their data into CTS so that Great Britain traceability remains in place. In time you may start to see cattle from Scotland with a different type of Cattle Passport. These will have been issued by ScotEID and will be valid for trade in England and Wales. What you need to do​ If you are a cattle keeper in Scotland, you should continue to report births, movements, and deaths through CTS and BCMS until 1 October 2021.From 4 October 2021 you should follow the guidance already provided by ScotEID. CTS will be unavailable between 7pm Friday 1 October and 7am Monday 4 October. You should try to submit notifications to these systems before or after this downtime. If you believe this downtime will result in late movement notifications or late passport applications, you should notify BCMS to make sure that it’s accounted for at BCMS validation in order to avoid any cross-compliance payment reductions. If you are a cattle keeper in England and Wales, you should continue to report cattle births, movements, and deaths to CTS, and contact BCMS as usual. We will send out more information about the changes affecting you later in the year. If you have any questions about this email​ You can email [email protected] or call us on 0345 050 1234 (Monday to Friday 8.30am to 5pm). The helpline for cattle keepers in Wales is 0345 050 3456. Please tell us your County Parish Holding (CPH) which you can find at the top of this email. Yours faithfully Paul Moody BCMS Operations Lead

Have you got any in Scotland or is it just the long weekend shutdown you mean?

 

[kfpben]

Gotta love devolution…
Change for the hell of it

 

[Princess Pooper]

Just had the following non-descript email . Just hope my 3 girls keep their legs crossed on that weekend early in October so I don't infringe their reporting rules

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Rural Payments Agency

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CPH: Our ref: CTS changes (1.0) Dear Sir or Madam As you’re aware, cattle keepers in Great Britain have reported the births, movements, and deaths of their cattle to BCMS’s Cattle Tracing System (CTS) since 1998. This ensures that cattle are traced, and disease management is effectively controlled. These are important factors in supporting the UK beef and dairy industries. Due to the age of the systems at BCMS, we’re developing new arrangements. Each country in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) will in time have its own multi-species tracing service for livestock. The recording of births, movements, and deaths of cattle (currently managed by BCMS) will form part of these new systems and we must make sure effective traceability and disease control continues. As a result, BCMS is undergoing some significant changes, but throughout this we aim to make sure that the services we provide are not disrupted. Changes for Scottish keepers​ The Scottish Government, working with ScotEID, have developed a new service for cattle keepers in Scotland. From May 2021, Scottish livestock markets and abattoirs began to move to this new service, managed by ScotEID, called ScotMoves+. As part of this change, Scottish cattle keepers will also move onto this new system soon. If you’re a cattle keeper in Scotland, you should have received a letter dated 27 July 2021 from the Scottish Government. This letter confirmed that from 4 October 2021, all cattle births, movements, and deaths in Scotland must be reported to ScotMoves+, rather than BCMS. BCMS Cattle Passports that are issued up until this change remain valid in Scotland. If you have any questions or concerns about this change, contact ScotEID by telephone on 01466 794323 or email [email protected]. Changes for English and Welsh keepers​ For English and Welsh keepers, multi-species systems are currently being developed to replace the service provided by BCMS. In the meantime, BCMS will continue to be used in England and Wales. ScotEID will feed their data into CTS so that Great Britain traceability remains in place. In time you may start to see cattle from Scotland with a different type of Cattle Passport. These will have been issued by ScotEID and will be valid for trade in England and Wales. What you need to do​ If you are a cattle keeper in Scotland, you should continue to report births, movements, and deaths through CTS and BCMS until 1 October 2021.From 4 October 2021 you should follow the guidance already provided by ScotEID. CTS will be unavailable between 7pm Friday 1 October and 7am Monday 4 October. You should try to submit notifications to these systems before or after this downtime. If you believe this downtime will result in late movement notifications or late passport applications, you should notify BCMS to make sure that it’s accounted for at BCMS validation in order to avoid any cross-compliance payment reductions. If you are a cattle keeper in England and Wales, you should continue to report cattle births, movements, and deaths to CTS, and contact BCMS as usual. We will send out more information about the changes affecting you later in the year. If you have any questions about this email​ You can email [email protected] or call us on 0345 050 1234 (Monday to Friday 8.30am to 5pm). The helpline for cattle keepers in Wales is 0345 050 3456. Please tell us your County Parish Holding (CPH) which you can find at the top of this email. Yours faithfully Paul Moody BCMS Operations Lead

Not sure what you mean, I assume you are referring to calving, so why does 3 days make any difference?

 

[JP1]

Not sure what you mean, I assume you are referring to calving, so why does 3 days make any difference?

Anything that relates to their disabling of the system and then threatening the fact that they can fine you for their lack of access

 

[cattleman123]

BCMS works so well...a lot better than Arams i use that but its hard work...will it work...i bet it does not

 

[AftonShepherd]

Anything that relates to their disabling of the system and then threatening the fact that they can fine you for their lack of access

Yes, but if they calf this weekend you've got 27 days, they're merely warning anyone who leaves registering to the last minute.

 

[JP1]

Yes, but if they calf this weekend you've got 27 days, they're merely warning anyone who leaves registering to the last minute.

I understand that . Movements then . Technically if I manage to catch a group and effect a movement between holdings and get in after 7pm, I've broken the rules in reporting on Monday . It's the threat levelled in the email of penalties on cross compliance yet not actually saying what they're planning on doing that I find at one mind boggling and annoying

 

[Hilly]

RIP Bcms ! You have provided a great service! Friendly helpful understanding staff , thankyou.

 

[TheRanger]

RIP Bcms ! You have provided a great service! Friendly helpful understanding staff , thankyou.

It’s got “British” in the name, it had to go

 

[Hesstondriver]

so do you need to do anything different if moving cattle from England to Scotland ?

 

[Wombat]

we got a letter yesterday it’s like ffs how much did that cost to send to us all saying basically bugger all

 

[willie waver]

The one government system that seems to work fairly well.

May as well change it then….

there was a thread about it in agricultural matters a while ago. a software expert forum member explained rather well why it was happening, go find it

 

[jamesy]

there was a thread about it in agricultural matters a while ago. a software expert forum member explained rather well why it was happening, go find it

I’m not that fussed

 

[Bill dog]

The girl from Scotmoves that I spoke to to activate my holding number ( or something like that), was very helpful and was very cheery on the phone. We can only hope the system works, but sadly my hopes are not high !

 

[Highland Mule]

Scotmoves has been excellent so far. I have reasonable hopes.

 

[Hilly]

I think they have chosen a bad time of year to make major changes but hey ho what do I know .

 

[matthew]

"If you are a cattle keeper in Scotland, you should continue to report births, movements, and deaths through CTS and BCMS until 1 October 2021.From 4 October 2021 you should follow the guidance already provided by ScotEID.
CTS will be unavailable between 7pm Friday 1 October and 7am Monday 4 October. You should try to submit notifications to these systems before or after this downtime. If you believe this downtime will result in late movement notifications or late passport applications, you should notify BCMS to make sure that it’s accounted for at BCMS validation in order to avoid any cross-compliance payment reductions.
If you are a cattle keeper in England and Wales, you should continue to report cattle births, movements, and deaths to CTS, and contact BCMS as usual. We will send out more information about the changes affecting you later in the year."

I think that it's movements which need to be notified within 3 days, which may be affected. Births, you have 27 days and deaths 7. Or had with CTS / BCMS anyway.

I logged three calves in yesterday, rather than wait and find I'm shut out of any new, improved system, at the last minute.

CTS / BCMS has been a shining light in Defra's grim history of rubbish computer programmes. Thanks for that anyway...