Bird flu - one to watch

[Macsky]

Is this the next food scare?

Dairy cattle must be tested for bird flu before moving between states, agriculture officials say

U.S. agriculture officials say dairy cattle moving between states must be tested for the bird flu virus in an effort to track and control the growing outbreak.

apnews.com

 

[gone up the hill]

Load of BS and just a way of trying to keep food prices low

 

[Macsky]

They’re pushing it in the press here now….

Bird flu alert as supermarket beef tested and virus found in cows for first time

Bird flu, also known as H5N1, was found in several herds of cows in the USA across nine states as a person was confirmed to test positive, prompting an investigation

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[sjt01]

They’re pushing it in the press here now….

Bird flu alert as supermarket beef tested and virus found in cows for first time

Bird flu, also known as H5N1, was found in several herds of cows in the USA across nine states as a person was confirmed to test positive, prompting an investigation

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Bald Rick]

This came up a month or so ago. For humans to catch it off cattle, you’d have to work in very close proximity and get fluids on you
Thats the US vet department, not me saying that

 

[Macsky]

This came up a month or so ago. For humans to catch it off cattle, you’d have to work in very close proximity and get fluids on you
Thats the US vet department, not me saying that

Are any cattle actually suffering with bird flu? Or are they just PCR tested til they find it? That PCR test could find covid up the nose of a Martian living on the dark side of the moon!

 

[Bald Rick]

Are any cattle actually suffering with bird flu? Or are they just PCR tested til they find it? That PCR test could find covid up the nose of a Martian living on the dark side of the moon!

Confirmed

USDA, FDA and CDC Share Update on HPAI Detections in Dairy Cattle | Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service

Editor's Note: An original version of this release listed Ohio among the states with presumptive positives, which was in error. This release has also been updated to include a link to a frequently asked questions document. Press Release

www.aphis.usda.gov

 

[Macsky]

Confirmed

USDA, FDA and CDC Share Update on HPAI Detections in Dairy Cattle | Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service

Editor's Note: An original version of this release listed Ohio among the states with presumptive positives, which was in error. This release has also been updated to include a link to a frequently asked questions document. Press Release

www.aphis.usda.gov

“the current risk to the public remains low.

“affected animals have recovered after isolation with little to no associated mortality reported”

This isn’t much use for red top fear mongering.

 

[Kidds]

They just miss those bits out

 

[delilah]

Been sent this from the lentil knitters:

https://the-pffa.org/news/guard-the-gate/

Could a professional poultry person give their views on the various aspects of this - mrna vaccine, resisting culls - so I can feed it back. Thanks.

 

[Macsky]

Been sent this from the lentil knitters:

https://the-pffa.org/news/guard-the-gate/

Could a professional poultry person give their views on the various aspects of this - mrna vaccine, resisting culls - so I can feed it back. Thanks.

What are your own initial thoughts on it?

 

[SteveHants]

Been sent this from the lentil knitters:

https://the-pffa.org/news/guard-the-gate/

Could a professional poultry person give their views on the various aspects of this - mrna vaccine, resisting culls - so I can feed it back. Thanks.

Its rubbish.

PCR tests are used because it is a pretty similar virus to COVID (although not as similar as infectious bronchitis).
If it's HPAI, you are looking at pretty high mortality (of birds) so resisting a cull seems reasonably pointless.

In better news, cases in poultry are significantly down of late.

 

[Shep58]

Been sent this from the lentil knitters:

https://the-pffa.org/news/guard-the-gate/

Could a professional poultry person give their views on the various aspects of this - mrna vaccine, resisting culls - so I can feed it back. Thanks.

Roger Meacock is a promoter of dubious ‘alternative medicine’ and has previously been in trouble with the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons for making misleading and inaccurate claims.

Landmark disciplinary case against Staffs vet represents victory against pseudoscience

In a landmark disciplinary case last week, Staffordshire-based veterinary surgeon Roger Meacock MRCVS has undertaken to amend his website after the College...

www.vetsurgeon.org

 

[Macsky]

Its rubbish.

PCR tests are used because it is a pretty similar virus to COVID (although not as similar as infectious bronchitis).
If it's HPAI, you are looking at pretty high mortality (of birds) so resisting a cull seems reasonably pointless.

In better news, cases in poultry are significantly down of late.

PCR testing is a joke, too many false positives.

Does the culling of any flock found testing positive need to be done, does it not wipe out the possibility of finding resistant birds? What is the risk of the birds are contained? I assume it spreads from wild birds to contained flocks?

 

[SteveHants]

PCR testing is a joke, too many false positives.

Does the culling of any flock found testing positive need to be done, does it not wipe out the possibility of finding resistant birds? What is the risk of the birds are contained? I assume it spreads from wild birds to contained flocks?

You can test a whole load in a flock pretty easily, ought to rule out false positives.

There is a small risk with low path AI (to the birds), but I'm not sure the consumer would want birds that have had it in the food chain. Mortality can be very high with high path AI.

The vector is wild birds. Potentially the reason that we are seeing drops in cases in poultry is that wild populations are becoming more resistant (resistance happens faster when diseases have high mortality as selection pressure will be greater).

The key in commercial flocks is proper biosecurity, however if I remember correctly a gram of faeces from an infected bird contains enough viral load to infect a million odd birds (or similar), so it presents considerable challenge.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Been sent this from the lentil knitters:

https://the-pffa.org/news/guard-the-gate/

Could a professional poultry person give their views on the various aspects of this - mrna vaccine, resisting culls - so I can feed it back. Thanks.

How can you read this with a straight face?

This is comedy gold:

We have every reason to believe this story is a fallacy and is being used by global governments, their agencies, NGO’s and other unelected control groups, to gain further control of our food production systems, food sovereignty, and our farmland.

The use of PCR tests as a diagnostic tool is the first alarm bell that would suggest this narrative is a fallacy and we have yet to see any solid and supported scientific, independent, evidence that this suggested outbreak is of any genuine concern. Again, they are seemingly lying.

In response to these initial reports, I would recommend we organise a campaign to either stop this from becoming a UK narrative, OR, if it goes that far, mobilise the people of the UK to stop the relevant bodies from getting ‘on-site’ on farms.

‘Guard The Gate’ is fundamentally what it says on the tin. The following points highlight the basic process of the aims and actions of this campaign.


Is this bilge driven by a fear of MRNA vaccines I wonder? Do you really think governments, even any government, is really going to be driving the use of ANY vaccine in chicken flocks in the face of influenza- I mean how did Deathra get it's moniker? It's cheaper and simpler (if perhaps less moral) to cull flocks out.

 

[deleted user 837354]

You can test a whole load in a flock pretty easily, ought to rule out false positives.

There is a small risk with low path AI (to the birds), but I'm not sure the consumer would want birds that have had it in the food chain. Mortality can be very high with high path AI.

The vector is wild birds. Potentially the reason that we are seeing drops in cases in poultry is that wild populations are becoming more resistant (resistance happens faster when diseases have high mortality as selection pressure will be greater).

The key in commercial flocks is proper biosecurity, however if I remember correctly a gram of faeces from an infected bird contains enough viral load to infect a million odd birds (or similar), so it presents considerable challenge.

How would an entire flock be tested for influenza, just out of interest?

 

[deleted user 837354]

Wowsers, so now MRNA vaccines can cause prion diseases. This guy should be lining up for a Nobel peace prize if he can prove that.

 

[SteveHants]

How would an entire flock be tested for influenza, just out of interest?

You wouldn't, you'd subsample.

Take maybe 30 and extrapolate the findings out.

Edit: to add - asking if a disease is circulating in a population is a different question to does a single individual (n=1) have a disease.

 

[deleted user 837354]

You wouldn't, you'd subsample.

Take maybe 30 and extrapolate the findings out.

Edit: to add - asking if a disease is circulating in a population is a different question to does a single individual (n=1) have a disease.

Sorry, I mean what testing processes would be used?