Clover safe sprays

[Kevtherev]

As above anyone having success with clover safe sprays for docks in grassland.
(Both new and old leys)

 

[scholland]

As above anyone having success with clover safe sprays for docks in grassland.
(Both new and old leys)

Spruce and triad would do a bit of a job on new leys but needs done early and isn't 100% imo.
But grass isn't on the triad label anymore I don't think.

 

[Salt'n'Pepper]

Squire ultra has been used here on reseed docks on the advice of our agronomist-still waiting to see how effective it is!

 

[Brisel]

Headland Spruce and Triad used to be the clover safe brew. That's 2,4DB and tribenuron-methyl. The actives are still approved but I'm not sure if you can get the grassland Triad tablets anymore. TBH it's not a great herbicide mix because you lose efficacy by protecting your clover.

Leystar will be better on docks but your clover really won't like it especially in new leys. https://www.corteva.co.uk/products-and-solutions/crop-protection/leystar.html

 

[DrDunc]

Tried using clover safe in the past

You either kill out most of the weeds plus most of the clover, or some of the weeds and some of the clover, but never all of the weeds and none of the some of the clover.

More effective and costs less overall to use something that works, then stitch in the clover afterwards is my experience

 

[Dave79]

Squire works but the docks have to be fairly immature. I think not much more than 4 leaf stage, or it’ll only stunt them not kill them and you’ve wasted your money. Ideal to do a few weeks after topping or silage, but if you miss the window, forget about it.

 

[Wilberforce]

Clover safe sprays are never really worth the cost and/or do half a job. Sow straight grass, put in clover seed after weed control has been taken care off. Headland Polo/Starane mix rarely fails. Fresh reseeds always worth the cost compared to trying to tidy up on old sward.

 

[milkloss]

Squire works well but only if you leave them undisturbed for as long as possible, my memory reckons 8wks. Any damage to the top growth will allow the dock to start growing again.

 

[nails]

Only clover safe spray in new leys that was any good was Legumex. Either sow clover after you have got rid of the docks or accept some docks.

 

[Scholsey]

Triad, spray at night once clover has ‘gone to sleep’

 

[Happy]

Only clover safe spray in new leys that was any good was Legumex. Either sow clover after you have got rid of the docks or accept some docks.

Agree.
All our dock problems have come since Legumex was banned.
Spray once in a reseed and you never saw a dock in the ley. Triad/spruce mix seemed ok first year or two but then docks start appearing.
Given up now. Squire too hit & miss for the price of it. Just sowing mixes with no clover and spraying with leystar.

 

[neilo]

I wanted to take some thistles out of a reseed from last summer and was going to use Spruce & Triad to save the clover. Clovermaster and Pinnacle turned up, both practically the same as ordered so I used it. The thistles are looking very sick and I did notice the odd dock & nettle plant that was in there have taken a real pounding. Clover appears untouched.

 

[2wheels]

used to use a 1/3 dose of quantum (an su) many moons ago, not on the label but that was before strict regs came into force. i think one year a small dose of linuron did a half job, again before all the rules.

 

[milkloss]

Only clover safe spray in new leys that was any good was Legumex. Either sow clover after you have got rid of the docks or accept some docks.

Agree.
All our dock problems have come since Legumex was banned.
Spray once in a reseed and you never saw a dock in the ley. Triad/spruce mix seemed ok first year or two but then docks start appearing.
Given up now. Squire too hit & miss for the price of it. Just sowing mixes with no clover and spraying with leystar.

legumex is only 24DB and mcpa mix isn’t it?
mix away!

 

[deleted user 837354]

Triad and spruce will kill seedling docks in new leys. Against established docks you have no hope, full rate spruce might have a go at them.

Pinnacle was ok but it was like shooting the clover in the guts.

Squire ultra will do a few other weeds into the bargain but don't expect it to do everything. If used alone it will take a long long time to show symptoms and full effect on the docks. Don't spray it and think it hasn't worked in a week.

Clovermaster and spruce will not touch chickweed.

Don't the Irish still have legumex? If making up your own tankmixes bewary of the dose rate of MPCA involved, in legumex (and tropotox, remember that?) the dose was tiny.

 

[Happy]

legumex is only 24DB and mcpa mix isn’t it?
mix away!

No, there was something else in it which is now banned.
Can’t remember exact active. Benazolin or something sounding along those lines.

 

[johnb5555]

Spotted this on Nufarm website

 

[windymiller]

Asulox is a good one on established leys, but they've taken docks off the label since they went all anal about banning it. Does a bloody good job on em too.

 

[scholland]

Acumen used to be a great spray for first year leys. I think it's another with no approval now even though the actives are still on the go.

 

[Oscar]

You will not do the clover much good initially but clover comes back ( around here anyway) so we don t bother with clover safe now , spray with best spray to deal with problem and let the clover recover over time.