Democracy in Scotland

[Agrivator]

Maybe you should worry about the UK first. That has, and is still being run/influenced by the unelected, such as Cummings, Frost, Symmonds, Goldsmith and numerous Tory donors etc. Then jump aboard the governments VIP gravy train, but only if you are a friend or relative of a government minister. And that's before we even mention the utter ignorance, incompetence and deceitfulness of these ministers. Then, lets not forget Boris filling the House of Lords with with his various cronies at payback time.

What on earth has that got to do with this thread, which is discussing the appalling political crisis in Scotland where a Dictator is running the country, backed up by a bunch of socialist eco-freaks who are now in power through a seriously-flawed electoral system.

The single transferable vote method, promoted for years by my erstwhile colleague James Gilmour, would be infinitely preferable.

And Boris, for all his faults, is still a firm favourite, particularity in England. His next step, should be to put two fingers up to the EU control freaks, and decree immediately that free trade will resume ASAP between GB and our friends and fellow countrymen in NI. Even the Welsh and Scots would support him in this, apart from the Nats for obvious reasons.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

The Greens obtained about 3% of the constituency vote in Scotland, and didn't win a single constituency. But whether they form a formal alliance or not with the SNP, they will now be the most powerful group in Holyrood - more powerful even than the SNP.

The Lib/dems, Conservatives and Labour won about 40? constituency and list seats, but between them have little or no influence in the Scottish Parliament.

Is that Democracy or a complete and utter Ballsup?

to my mind, that is the deciding reason that I am against proportional representation, it gives minority parties the deciding votes and an unrepresentative influence over decision making.

 

[Muck Spreader]

What on earth has that got to do with this thread, which is discussing the appalling political crisis in Scotland where a Dictator is running the country, backed up by a bunch of socialist eco-freaks who are now in power through a seriously-flawed electoral system.

The single transferable vote method, promoted for years by my erstwhile colleague James Gilmour, would be infinitely preferable.

And Boris, for all his faults, is still a firm favourite, particularity in England. His next step, should be to put two fingers up to the EU control freaks, and decree immediately that free trade will resume ASAP between GB and our friends and fellow countrymen in NI. Even the Welsh and Scots would support him in this, apart from the Nats for obvious reasons.

The only political crisis in Scotland is that the vast majority of Scot's see the SNP as the only party that actually has Scotland as its primarily interest. And not just an irritating northern irrelevance that needs humouring around Westminster election time.

 

[M-J-G]

I'm speechless. That is just a car crash

Especially after such a bold statement as;




Looks like you would have just lost your vote

And that's just the one I've pointed out, there are several other examples of why @Agrivator wouldn't allow himself to vote.
I wasn't going go down the road of pointing minor errors, but he seemed determined to make a fuss.

He just keeps on giving, so FFS don't give him a hand grenade or he'll blow his own hands off, although an up side to that would be that he wouldn't be able to use a shovel so he'd have to stop digging at least.

I can't wait for the next installment.

 

[M-J-G]

The only political crisis in Scotland is that the vast majority of Scot's see the SNP as the only party that actually has Scotland as its primarily interest. And not just an irritating northern irrelevance that needs humouring around Westminster election time.

I'm not really sure why so many lean towards the SNP, as with all situations I'm certain it's not all based on logic and a lot is fuelled by passion, which is fair enough and everyone is entitled to their opinion

I think some people are convinced that their current situation isn't good and a change of any kind will be better, which is why many people voted for Brexit which was encouraged by the idea that if you're fed up vote for change, take back control, take our money back etc. and proved to be more successful than the stay where you are and stay safe message from the remain camp.

If that change will be for the better is still an unknown in both cases.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I'm not really sure why so many lean towards the SNP, as with all situations I'm certain it's not all based on logic and a lot is fuelled by passion, which is fair enough and everyone is entitled to their opinion

I think some people are convinced that their current situation isn't good and a change of any kind will be better, which is why many people voted for Brexit which was encouraged by the idea that if you're fed up vote for change, take back control, take our money back etc. and proved to be more successful than the stay where you are and stay safe message from the remain camp.

If that change will be for the better is still an unknown in both cases.

In normal circumstances I don't think the SNP would naturally be my fist choice. But they do have have some very good politicians, who actually seem to know what they are talking about. Which is more than can be said for the rest of parties nowadays. Regarding Brexit, people were just told a pack of lies about how much better off they would be and nothing at all would really change, this seemed to go for the most part without being challenged.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

In normal circumstances I don't think the SNP would naturally be my fist choice. But they do have have some very good politicians, who actually seem to know what they are talking about. Which is more than can be said for the rest of parties nowadays. Regarding Brexit, people were just told a pack of lies about how much better off they would be and nothing at all would really change, this seemed to go for the most part without being challenged.

Well, actually I voted BREXIT because I did not like the democratic deficit that I felt there was with the EU and for reasons of sovereignty.

 

[Danllan]

I wonder why you’ve had no effective replies to this? While I voted remain, your point is one which I concur with and seems to be overlooked by those that support the EU Union and it’s direction of travel. Precisely the point - we can’t actually elect the people who make the decisions. Well we can now of course and that’s another story

See below.

I’d like if I may in relation to yet more of your simpleton understanding of electoral democracy, quote a few lines by Oliver Goldsmith and in so doing take a small bit of poetic licence.
“And still they gazed and still that wonder grew,
that one small head could carry all he thought he knew”.

The original poem by the great man is here. Well worth a read.

The Village Schoolmaster by Oliver Goldsmith

Comments & analysis: Beside yon straggling fence that skirts the way / With blossom'd furze unprofitably gay,

allpoetry.com

Is that your special code for 'I can't justify the EU's democratic deficit'?

 

[Pasty]

to my mind, that is the deciding reason that I am against proportional representation, it gives minority parties the deciding votes and an unrepresentative influence over decision making.

The UK threw out ideas of PR some years ago. I expect we didn't know what we were voting for etc. etc.

Scotland is a mess and going downhill fast. The beacon of education now turned to rubbish. Shortcake, poverty and heroin. Amazing.

 

[Martin Holden]

See below.


Is that your special code for 'I can't justify the EU's democratic deficit'?

I think Ashy must be friends with the 80's pop icon Nick Kershaw - his album called "The Riddle"!

 

[Muck Spreader]

The UK threw out ideas of PR some years ago. I expect we didn't know what we were voting for etc. etc.

Scotland is a mess and going downhill fast. The beacon of education now turned to rubbish. Shortcake, poverty and heroin. Amazing.

I take from this you have never actually been to Scotland.

 

[Danllan]

I take from this you have never actually been to Scotland.

I have, loads of times, and can assure @Pasty that the shortbread mines are in no danger of running out; but the whisky wells, that's another story...

 

[HAM135]

I take from this you have never actually been to Scotland.

Have you,I have 2 kids in secondary education ATM,I can assure you education is dire,no shortage of junkies in the area either with councils housing them out in rural areas now.Come on the SNP

 

[bobk]

Have you,I have 2 kids in secondary education ATM,I can assure you education is dire,no shortage of junkies in the area either with councils housing them out in rural areas now.Come on the SNP

SNP are a f**kin disgrace , pander to the losers in society

 

[Pasty]

I take from this you have never actually been to Scotland.

I have, several times. If you Scotch folk can't take a bit of humour then that is your problem. I'm still married to one and that is my problem.

 

[Highland Mule]

Have you,I have 2 kids in secondary education ATM,I can assure you education is dire,no shortage of junkies in the area either with councils housing them out in rural areas now.Come on the SNP

In the interest of balance, you do live on the outskirts of one of the most deprived cities in our country. Plenty parts don’t have the problems that you describe.

 

[Muck Spreader]

SNP are a fudgein disgrace , pander to the losers in society

Oh, its got to be your party then!

 

[HAM135]

In the interest of balance, you do live on the outskirts of one of the most deprived cities in our country. Plenty parts don’t have the problems that you describe.

That makes it ok then,another SNP stronghold which says it all.

 

[Highland Mule]

That makes it ok then,another SNP stronghold which says it all.

No, it’s not okay - but it’s not representative of the country as a whole.

 

[jd2013]

In normal circumstances I don't think the SNP would naturally be my fist choice. But they do have have some very good politicians, who actually seem to know what they are talking about. Which is more than can be said for the rest of parties nowadays. Regarding Brexit, people were just told a pack of lies about how much better off they would be and nothing at all would really change, this seemed to go for the most part without being challenged.

If they have some very good MP's , which sections of the running the country are they in charge off? sNHS buggered unless you live in central belt, police optional unless you live I CB, education !!!!!, drugs ( They are winning on this one , but for the wrong reasons!). Some of them have the silver tongue but to say they are good politician's is a step to far. A good politician will also stand up for their own constituency , even if its against the party's views. No SNP MP does that , they just tow the line.