Drenching interval

[Chris123]

Drenched a bunch of lambs Friday, gate left open and they have mixed with another lot which are overdue a drench no way of knowing what’s been done any problems with drenching the lot again?

 

[neilo]

Drenched with what?

Assuming it’s a wormer, I wouldn’t imagine there would be a problem. However, there’s no such thing as being ‘overdue’ a wormer.

 

[Chris123]

Drenched with oramec,
Lambs being weaned number with dirty arses, so there will be no I’ll effects on the lambs done Friday if I drench them again early next week.

 

[gwi1890]

Drenched with oramec,
Lambs being weaned number with dirty arses, so there will be no I’ll effects on the lambs done Friday if I drench them again early next week.

have you taken a fec count? I had a number of dirty arses last week, sent samples to my vet however I did not need to worm, coxi was creeping up again abit, not enough to justify drenching them but Put some tubby buckets out again.

 

[neilo]

have you taken a fec count? I had a number of dirty arses last week, sent samples to my vet however I did not need to worm, coxi was creeping up again abit, not enough to justify drenching them but Put some tubby buckets out again.

^this. But no, another dose of Ivermectin (if it's required) isn't going to harm any. If they are all in one mob now and you can't identify those already treated, a mob fec won't tell you anything now though.

 

[Agrivator]

Drenched with what?

Assuming it’s a wormer, I wouldn’t imagine there would be a problem. However, there’s no such thing as being ‘overdue’ a wormer.

There will be countless lambs and ewes that have died from lack of being given an effective drench. Nematodirus in lambs and liver fluke in ewes are prime examples. So why on earth do you make such a ridiculous statement that there’s no such thing as being ‘overdue’ a wormer?

 

[scottish-lleyn]

There will be countless lambs and ewes that have died from lack of being given an effective drench. Nematodirus in lambs and liver fluke in ewes are prime examples. So why on earth do you make such a ridiculous statement that there’s no such thing as being ‘overdue’ a wormer?

Because there is no such thing as being overdue a wormer unless they have a heavy worm burden that is effecting them. Routine worming of anything other than young lambs for nemo is very irresponsible and why half the uk cant just bash on with a cheap wormer when its actually needed.

 

[gwi1890]

There will be countless lambs and ewes that have died from lack of being given an effective drench. Nematodirus in lambs and liver fluke in ewes are prime examples. So why on earth do you make such a ridiculous statement that there’s no such thing as being ‘overdue’ a wormer?

there are countles sheep in the uk that die because of this particular mindset, worming routinely because thats the way we do it here to the point that your wormers dont work any more, you don’t take medicine for a cold if you haven’t got a cough do you?

 

[Agrivator]

there are countles sheep in the uk that die because of this particular mindset, worming routinely because thats the way we do it here to the point that your wormers dont work any more, you don’t take medicine for a cold if you haven’t got a cough do you?

You obviously don't understand parasitology in sheep, and its effective control by grazing management in order to minimise or avoid the need for routine worming. But there are situations either through poor management or bad luck, where severe symptoms of infestation arise. The sheep in question are therefore overdue a drench, to avoid the dire consequences of not treating them effectively.

So I repeat, there will be countless cases of sheep being overdue a wormer (or flukicide as the case may be).

 

[gwi1890]

You obviously don't understand parasitology in sheep, and its effective control by grazing management in order to minimise or avoid the need for routine worming. But there are situations either through poor management or bad luck, where severe symptoms of infestation arise. The sheep in question are therefore overdue a drench, to avoid the dire consequences of not treating them effectively.

So I repeat, there will be countless cases of sheep being overdue a wormer (or flukicide as the case may be).

Could yo enlighten me on what grazing methods I should use to ease burden ? And what specific time of year to drench?

 

[neilo]

Could yo enlighten me on what grazing methods I should use to ease burden ? And what specific time of year to drench?

I’m guessing it will involve keeping Exlana or Romney ewes, selected on the basis of strong worm resistance ebvs, alongside some efficient grazing cattle like Stabilisers...

Sheep are only ‘overdue’ a wormer if they have an established need for drenching, and it hasn’t been done yet.

Clearly @Agrivator knows whether this was the case in the OP, or whether they were ‘overdue’ a routine drench that has always been done when it has been done. None of the rest of us know this of course, as we are far less perceptive than he.

 

[scottish-lleyn]

I’m guessing it will involve keeping Exlana or Romney ewes, selected on the basis of strong worm resistance ebvs, alongside some efficient grazing cattle like Stabilisers...
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yes this is what he was refering to. brilliant

 

[gwi1890]

Mabey if I add some style and attitude to my sheep I won’t have to worm?

 

[Bury the Trash]

there are countles sheep in the uk that die because of this particular mindset, worming routinely because thats the way we do it here to the point that your wormers dont work any more, you don’t take medicine for a cold if you haven’t got a cough do you?

it doesnt say anything about routine worming in that post. it says , means and refers to sheep that actually need it, as far as i can see.

 

[Chris123]

Just to clear it up fec tested both bunches required a drench, they mixed between doing bunch a and bunch b have drenched the lot and weaned them today. Not sure why so many posts have to result in a argument nowadays takes away from the informative and helpful nature of the forum on occasion in my opinion.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Just to clear it up fec tested both bunches required a drench, they mixed between doing bunch a and bunch b have drenched the lot and weaned them today. Not sure why so many posts have to result in a argument nowadays takes away from the informative and helpful nature of the forum on occasion in my opinion.

especially for flocks that are physically close together or more critical treatments , taking the extra hassle of marking them as you go is really worth the trouble sometimes.

Edit . marking makes more sensible recording in vet med/book as well for batch recording/non eid

 

[Chris123]

Normally do refresh the mark but was planning on taking them home in the afternoon drafted out a load to take and sell as stores in the morning and had mixed by the time I returned

 

[neilo]

Just to clear it up fec tested both bunches required a drench, they mixed between doing bunch a and bunch b have drenched the lot and weaned them today. Not sure why so many posts have to result in a argument nowadays takes away from the informative and helpful nature of the forum on occasion in my opinion.

I don’t think there was any argument until somebody started Agrivating.

 

[Agrivator]

Could yo enlighten me on what grazing methods I should use to ease burden ? And what specific time of year to drench?

I can send you all the original publications on grazing strategies to provide clean grazing, but unless you already have a copy, obtain David Henderson's ''Veterinary Book for Sheep Farmers''. Pages 491 onward provide a good summary.

Anyone grazing ewes and lambs at relatively high stocking rates (above 3 ewes plus lambs/acre) and who isn't practicing Clean Grazing, is in need of psychiatric help.

 

[gwi1890]

I don’t think there was any argument until somebody started Agrivating.

indeed its the difference in opinions that make this forum fun , now onto amazon to purchase the book about clean grazing that agrivator mentioned