Expensive hole

[Farma Parma]

So this spreader has spreader over 6500 tons over its life, lets average fert price at £250/t and that machine has spread over £1.6 mil worth of fert!
A 1% improvement in accuracy would pay for a new spreader, and people are questioning the value of new veins???
*This is assuming they are original veins

Edit: Veins are a wearing part, re-metalling a plough would cost more than £500

Probs £500 for every 2 furrows for all metal parts inc Boards....
KV Geospreader here done 1132t & covered 5816ha totaling 747hrs of work.
Still original Vanes altho id say i'll be changing them for next season all 12 of the buggers yeeesshhh

 

[Bobthebuilder]

So this spreader has spreader over 6500 tons over its life, lets average fert price at £250/t and that machine has spread over £1.6 mil worth of fert!
A 1% improvement in accuracy would pay for a new spreader, and people are questioning the value of new veins???
*This is assuming they are original veins

Edit: Veins are a wearing part, re-metalling a plough would cost more than £500

Mistake with tonnage if you look I’ve corrected it

 

[Rob Holmes]

Mistake with tonnage if you look I’ve corrected it

I must admit, i thought it was a lot when i saw it

 

[john432]

The question is why is something that's worth a £ tener? In material,Ok £50 with markup, costing up to £500 .

 

[Classichay]

stainless welds fine with argon gas

That it does, but you end up with heavy soot and you can end up with inclusions on deep welds, we use helium mix on stainless work to prevent this.

 

[Brisel]

The question is why is something that's worth a £ tener? In material,Ok £50 with markup, costing up to £500 .

It's precision engineered and not always made in huge batches that dilutes the tooling costs. Lots of handling through the distribution network though that shouldn't cost much. There are enough variants around that the non genuine manufacturers won't touch them & the potential claims from misapplication of product are huge. And the main manufacturers can make a decent profit on them as buyers don't ask what these cost when pricing up the whole machine and are then tied into buying spares from them.

Is it the same thinking as printers? Pay less for the original machine to make it more attractive but pay a premium for the cartridges so they recoup the costs later?

 

[davidroberts30]

That it does, but you end up with heavy soot and you can end up with inclusions on deep welds, we use helium mix on stainless work to prevent this.

What are you using? MIG ?

 

[davidroberts30]

That it does, but you end up with heavy soot and you can end up with inclusions on deep welds, we use helium mix on stainless work to prevent this.

DC ali tig you use helium to heat the weld up
Ac ali is fine on argon
DC tig is all I've ever used on stainless and been fine

 

[Brisel]

This is just my opinion as someone who puts circa 700 tonnes of fertiliser through my spreader every year worth around £150k. I’d buy new vanes, not weld up a hole in a worn one that will soon develop other holes. It’s an expense I don’t like but the cost of getting the pattern wrong exceeds that.

If I were doing a lot less spreading I’d want to get the most out of the vanes I’ve got, within reason.

 

[shumungus]

So this spreader has spreader over 6500 tons over its life, lets average fert price at £250/t and that machine has spread over £1.6 mil worth of fert!
A 1% improvement in accuracy would pay for a new spreader, and people are questioning the value of new veins???
*This is assuming they are original veins

Edit: Veins are a wearing part, re-metalling a plough would cost more than £500

It's not the job the veins do that people have a problem putting a price on. It's the cost of what it would take to manufacture them vs retail price. If I were to go to my preferred precision sheet engineers with an old set of vanes they will measure and draw them in a matter of minutes then its a matter of sending it to the trumpf laser and cnc press brake and scheduling them in, it's not witchcraft, its a few pieces of folded metal. They are going to cost a hell of a lot less than original and repeat orders will be cheaper as they have already been drawn.

 

[Barleymow]

I reckon i go to the same small building as you as i get 80%ish of the price then a bit more discount as i put them on my buying groups account

Couldn't swing a very big cat round innit

 

[B'o'B]

Last time I priced up some Amazone vanes (a good few years ago now) it was cheaper to buy new disks with the vanes on, than it was to just buy the vanes on their own!

 

[Robt]

What's the retail price for a set of Sulky vanes?

€218 for standard 24-36 on x40+ or €378 for hardened. Prices euro and retail

 

[shumungus]

€218 for standard 24-36 on x40+ or €378 for hardened. Prices euro and retail

Per Disc or per set?

 

[Robt]

Per Disc or per set?

Per set

 

[Bobthebuilder]

The expensive bit must be all the new fixings they come with

 

[farmerphilly]

As mentioned try tim smith

 

[shumungus]

The expensive bit must be all the new fixings they come with

Was there much wrong with the old fixings?

 

[Bobthebuilder]

Was there much wrong with the old fixings?

2 of the thumb screws were broken, but they came with the vanes in a sealed pack

 

[fermerboy]

The expensive bit must be all the new fixings they come with

I'd be sorely tempted to take that brand new set round to a local engineering shop that can fold Stainless steel and see what they reckon to making you a few sets. We have a lot of stainless steel sheet guys round here due to the whisky distilling industry that could knock that up before morning tea.

I'm lucky that I don't spread a wild amount of fert, and I got a spare set of vanes chucked in the deal so that should do me out!!!

Cost of the vanes against product spread is nothing, cost of the vanes against cost to manufacture is the sore bit.