Wondering if world events might be likely to focus @Janet Hughes Defra and friends into a change of emphasis.
Suddenly self sufficiency looks whole lot more important.
Suddenly self sufficiency looks whole lot more important.
Food, public money for public goods?
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Goweresque
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Don't be daft, the State supertanker takes about a decade to turn around. They'll continue pushing the whole eco-b*ll*cks nonsense for years yet while the price of food explodes around us, bureaucracy knows no other way. It can never admit to being wrong, because that would explode their self created myth of superiority. It can never do a sharp 180, it must perform a turning circle so large that no-one notices the change of direction.
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Take a day and binge watch The Thick Of It and Yes, Minister. Then read last week's private eye and watch todays news. Then figure out if anyones left hand knows what the rights doing.
wanton dwarf
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FFS.
If THAT was true you'd have so much money you wouldn't be on this forum.
Increase productivity .. what planet are you on ? I shall fall over dead in shock when I see the Green brigade actually recycle rather than fine the public and send rubbish half way across the world to burn it or dump it in the sea.
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Actually, it finally looks as though food producers might be rewarded by the market and not just government handouts for a change.
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- Devon
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- Devon
Even if you were right, it could be too late.
Despite all the platitudes and good intentions shown by Janet, I see no actions that give me any optimism.
I'll refer you back to the unjustifiable decision to reduce certain payment options in Countryside stewardship.
The die has been cast, I fear goweresque is right. We will have to wait a decade before they will consider 'improving' the scheme.
I'm planning what I plough in the next year, now.
Good; if it can be ploughed to economic advantage, then it wants ploughing.
There's plenty time yet. Look at what the SFI standards looked like a matter of months ago, thrown out the window now, it will change again before they get it right.
With the “bread basket of Europe” sending its production eastward.
Also a new international climate making any available imports looking much more vulnerable to supply disruptions, economic home food production suddenly looks a much more important aim even for a hungry environmentalist zealot than it did last week.
Also a new international climate making any available imports looking much more vulnerable to supply disruptions, economic home food production suddenly looks a much more important aim even for a hungry environmentalist zealot than it did last week.
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"Have" its Have "could have " should have " not fudging of
he was being ironic ,you donut
do you not read anything on this forum?
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"Have" its Have "could have " should have " not fudging of
But colloquially acceptable.
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The same agencies that are advising Defra on ELMS, have already helped to write a Landscape recovery plan for North Devon. Their aim is to considerably increase the amount of semi-natural grassland.
They expect the LR schemes to enable this.
The fact that SFI is not fit for purpose mean that many of us will be reducing the amount of semi-natural grassland.
The 20% reduction in 2022 BPS will mean changes will start to be made now.
Defra seem to have completely overlooked the fact their remit was that these environmental aims had to be 'alongside food production'.
We can discuss the details of all this forever but all that matters is how many £'s per acre, for cost/longevity vs. potential lost income.
Every factor affecting potential lost income is heading skyward.
I rather suspect that for all the money spent on ELMS, in a decade it will have not made any notable difference.
But the price of food will be much higher.
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- Warwickshire
I'm sure many of you will remember 2006/2007, David Miliband, DEFRA secretary telling us that food should be imported from other countries and we should have more stewardship and become "park keepers"
Within no time at all there were rice riots on the Far East and within a short period of time feed wheat had gone up from around £70/ton to £150. In the Autumn milk went up 2.5 ppl one month and 3 ppl the next after years in the doldrums.
This was a massive turning point for most farm businesses including ours.
Surely somebody must be telling the powers that be that food production is essential and re-wilding / wrack & ruin certainly isn't.
Within no time at all there were rice riots on the Far East and within a short period of time feed wheat had gone up from around £70/ton to £150. In the Autumn milk went up 2.5 ppl one month and 3 ppl the next after years in the doldrums.
This was a massive turning point for most farm businesses including ours.
Surely somebody must be telling the powers that be that food production is essential and re-wilding / wrack & ruin certainly isn't.
Goweresque
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It'll be instructive to see what the response of Western governments (and their bureaucracies) will be to what is unfolding, when it comes to strategic stuff like energy and food policy. The question has to be - are their any adults left in the room who will now take charge and start making decisions based on reality, or have the woke brigade got complete control and will continue with their 'reality is what I say it is' style of governance?
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In a nutshell , is (Affordable) food not public goods