Forestry Commission wrong to plant trees on peat bogs. Channel 4

[Hilly]

Forestry Commission admits it was wrong to allow trees to be planted on peat bogs

Our chief correspondent Alex Thomson has been investigating how the Forestry Commission used taxpayer money to plant trees on the UK's equivalent of the Amazon rainforest.

www.channel4.com

My father planted trees for the fc on thousands and thousands of acres of exceptionally deep peat land in the 50’s , I bet they will have millions of acres of shitty Sitka growing on very deep peat .

 

[primmiemoo]

What 'excess generation'?

So you are saying use electricity to split hydrogen from water, compress it or send it down a pipeline and then burn it to make heat for heating? Is this correct?

You must realise there are so many steps in that process it will be highly inefficient in energy terms?

Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the gist of it... It does seem more involved at third reading

Porsche and Siemens Energy, with partners, advance climate-neutral eFuels development

Porsche, Siemens Energy and a lineup of international companies are developing and implementing a pilot project in Chile that is expected to yield the world’s first integrated, commercial, industrial-scale plant for making synthetic climate-neutral fuels (eFuels).

newsroom.porsche.com

 

[Ffermer Bach]

They put windfarms on peat bogs is that ok then?

I have not seen evidence (I recall reading somewhere), but I believe no, I think putting in the tracks etc oxidises more peat, than carbon is saved by the wind generators, so another example of scientific illiteracy by our politicians. I am overall in favour of wind turbines (but the companies that run them are terrible). Wind turbines should be put up on non peat areas and the multi national companies that own them should be disbanded I believe.

 

[renewablejohn]

Build nuclear power stations and give the electric away exceptionally cheap build a real economy and it’s as green as it comes .

You have got to be kidding. How many thousands of tonnes of steel and concrete goes into a nuclear plant. Green it certainly is not.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Forestry Commission admits it was wrong to allow trees to be planted on peat bogs

Our chief correspondent Alex Thomson has been investigating how the Forestry Commission used taxpayer money to plant trees on the UK's equivalent of the Amazon rainforest.

www.channel4.com

I wonder what we should do with the peat bogs then? I know maybe graze them, so not only do they store carbon, but also produce food (I know at a low intensity - but if the carbon capture is added in as well, they are being very productive). We could graze sheep on them. I know all the media keeps talking about eating less meat to help the environment but my opinion of the media is very low, 100 years ago, the same types who are now talking about not eating meat, where advocating eugenics to protect the purity of the human race!

 

[wanton dwarf]

You have got to be kidding. How many thousands of tonnes of steel and concrete goes into a nuclear plant. Green it certainly is not.

If the Concrete and Steel is made using "Renewable Energy" then that's not the case.

Chicken and egg situation.

I still think it's all a problem of regulation's making .. why these targets are being created is beyond me. Just keep moving forward based on what is economical to do.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

If the Concrete and Steel is made using "Renewable Energy" then that's not the case.

Chicken and egg situation.

I still think it's all a problem of regulation's making .. why these targets are being created is beyond me. Just keep moving forward based on what is economical to do.

Energy Report — RethinkX

We are on the cusp of the fastest, deepest, most profound disruption of the energy sector in over a century.

www.rethinkx.com

 

[wanton dwarf]

Energy Report — RethinkX

We are on the cusp of the fastest, deepest, most profound disruption of the energy sector in over a century.

www.rethinkx.com

Shame it costs the Earth to use Solar, Wnd and Batteries ..

 

[renewablejohn]

If the Concrete and Steel is made using "Renewable Energy" then that's not the case.

Chicken and egg situation.

I still think it's all a problem of regulation's making .. why these targets are being created is beyond me. Just keep moving forward based on what is economical to do.

But why waste renewable energy producing concrete and steel when natural resources can produce the same electric without using renewable energy.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Shame it costs the Earth to use Solar, Wind and Batteries ..

Really? That report forecasts the price falling by about 3/4 from the current 12 cents.
What do you know that they don't?

 

[wanton dwarf]

Really? That report forecasts the price falling by about 3/4 from the current 12 cents.
What do you know that they don't?

Export price is about 4p, which is uneconomic for all renewables. In fact renewables barely break even using retail prices.

 

[linga]

Export price is about 4p, which is uneconomic for all renewables. In fact renewables barely break even using retail prices.

Think export price is a litte higher than that

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Export price is about 4p, which is uneconomic for all renewables. In fact renewables barely break even using retail prices.

And yet offshore wind farms are being built, solar farms are being constructed and battery estates are appearing everywhere.

 

[wanton dwarf]

And yet offshore wind farms are being built, solar farms are being constructed and battery estates are appearing everywhere.

That's quite correct .. and given offshore is at least 2x as expensive as onshore makes you wonder who is cooking the books and to what end.

Amazing what you can do with other peoples money.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Think export price is a litte higher than that

Okay somewhere between 4p & 5p .. and if you don't use the leccy yourself then you're due business rates.

 

[linga]

Okay somewhere between 4p & 5p .. and if you don't use the leccy yourself then you're due business rates.

Up a bit more than that. Not a lot though

 

[Exfarmer]

Okay somewhere between 4p & 5p .. and if you don't use the leccy yourself then you're due business rates.

I am looking at investing in solar and I can assure you , it can wipe its eye today with no subsidy.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I am looking at investing in solar and I can assure you , it can wipe its eye today with no subsidy.

I'd only have what I can sell retail.

Otherwise you're a risk taking 0% loan, or worse.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

That's quite correct .. and given offshore is at least 2x as expensive as onshore makes you wonder who is cooking the books and to what end.

Amazing what you can do with other peoples money.

That's 'cos the nimbys are so vociferous! Gov, and co's have to put them where they can;

Biggest UK solar plant approved

Climate change: Go-ahead for controversial solar farm - the UK's biggest

www.bbc.co.uk

'Greenpeace, the RSPB and the countryside charity CPRE are against the plan.
They say it’s industrialising the countryside - and may harm an adjacent wildlife site.
But Friends of the Earth offered qualified support, on the grounds that the current intensively-farmed land was bad for wildlife anyway.
Their spokesperson Mike Childs said: “No-one wants to see damage to local habitats, but this is not some lovely, untouched meadow.
“Changing the use of the site from intensive agriculture will reduce the high level of chemicals currently harming insects and wildlife - but we have to hold the developers to account”.'

 

[Y Fan Wen]

You will note that the above report states that no subsidy is involved in the construction of this solar farm.
Rethinkx report is showing the way ahead.