Foundations of Farming

ski

Member
There have been many well contested threads debated on this forum but I discern what may be termed a 'thinning' in not only the views posted but also a 'thinning' in the threads themselves. By 'thinning' I posit that there is a weariness in the ranks of the forum members that is reflected in replies and in the subject matter raised, I certainly feel a level of that myself and was wondering if this is felt widely or is it just me? For the purposes of this thread I will assume there is at least something in my observation and therefore would ask why is this the case, what has been the reason, and what can we do about it?

Perhaps it is the constant barrage of anti-farming propaganda spewing forth from all mainstream sources and the inability we all see and feel in any absence of a well placed counter narrative. Is it also because of the divergent voices within our ranks? Can we find 'common ground' with the ecological hardliners as some think we should surely these people who can only continue if they keep moving the goalposts, because they cannot accept that a good standard of welfare, husbandry or ecological concerns have been met, because then their reason to exist has been removed so they have no alternative but to keep shifting the end point.

Our farming bodies appear to be a bit like the vaccines and claim that things would have been much worse without them, a claim which is not falsifiable, and it is hard to decide whether it is time to demolish and rebuild or get involved and change from within.

On top of all that the last two years have brought a whole new set of concerns we had never dreamed off, and wherever you stand on the whole pandemic debate, all opinions also have a set of anxieties and fears contingent with their position.

When you think about all the issues we confront at this time it is easy to come to the conclusion that things have never been so difficult. It is not clear to me that this is the case, all generations have boogeymen real or imagined to contend with ( and I do think most of them are concocted by governments so they can also then propose the solution and thus show themselves to be great men) and the level of anxiety is probably remarkably similar for the generations.

Should we consider the possibility that what really separates us from our forebears is not any difference in ability, but in conviction. And maybe we should examine why our convictions are less strongly held than our fathers and their fathers before them. Could it be that we have entered a Faustian bargain with the Government and what we call 'big agriculture', and many of us are now sensing and feeling uneasy as the realisation of what that bargain means?

I should like to hear what others think and why, perhaps describe what they think are the foundations of farming and perhaps what we might be able to do, (in the particular rather than the abstract) to fortify our foundations.
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
No different than ever in my experience, its always been a challenge almost to impossibility (almost ) at times farming has never at no point in the time I've been in it, which is since the late seventies ....been at all easy i find. , overall that is ,generally politically etc but Physically is the exception that's a different matter , its far easier in a most areas , manual labour wise.
Its not for the faint hearted that's for sure , nor probably ever will be ??
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
A very interesting survey into peoples happiness at work, found that it was related to how much control someone felt they had rather than anything else.
I know that much of my pleasure in farming is deciding what to do and when to do it although the seasons and weather are really in charge.
I do feel that many of us do feel that we are mere pawns between supermarkets, environmentalists, animals rights extremists and government quangos such that we are very uneasy at our complete lack of control.
When I look for some reassurance from our minister or union, I hear a load of nonsense.

Without TFF, I would be feeling very vulnerable and isolated.

Chin up and best foot forward everyone!
 
In some ways farming is easier than when I was young because much of the hard physical work has been taken out by machinery. I think the big problem now is that farmers feel they are being thrown on the scrap heap and made scapegoats by Government and big business for this carbon hysteria.

Farmers instinctively know rewilding and large scale tree planting at the expense of food production is at best foolish at worst immoral when there are people in the world who do not have enough food. Unfortunately the chattering classes who make the rules have such a disconnect from reality that they can't see it and I don't think the NFU is fighting our corner strongly enough to make any impression.

However I think there are food shortages ahead worldwide and so things will turn around, I noticed in a discussion on gas prices on the radio one of the first things being suggested was scrapping the green levy. When people feel hurt personally their priorities change.
 
Is it just farmers?

Isn't the whole of our society lacking any sort of conviction as to how the future is going to be better than the past?
Many of the things our grandparents took as read are being undermined and condemned in the interests of "fairness and equality." This is a very worthy cause, but instead of raising everyone to a higher level, it seems to me we are sinking since it is far easier to pull something down than it is to create something better to replace what was there before.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
it’s simple fact

farming is a trade

landownership is an investment

It’s not that simple at all Clive. There are so many decisions I have made over the last 40+ years knowing I am secure on the place for more than 5/10/15/20 years. Made loads of investments in time and money, knowing the place is mine, loads of neglect I may have been forced into in lean times, knowing I don’t have to account to someone looking over my shoulder ...

and anyway, surely the land owner wants a return so the lack of profit in relation to the value of the asset is still the same problem🤷‍♂️
 

merino

Member
Location
The North East
The thinnings straight forward.
Ever tried expressing a divergent opinion here?
I got most of a page of abuse for one. Not even an extreme one.
That and you invariably end up in an argument with a fascist. Which is best avoided. That said I'm always looking for an excuse to post some dorian electra.


Beyond that, well, I suspect my grandfather would laugh at you. Peace in his time and a pile of money? In exchange for some paperwork that someone else does? It was hardly a faustian bargain.

I think your rhetorical flourish there is a sign you don't really get the problem. It isn't fundamentally okay in the UK. Things are fundamentally wrong. That's with just about everything and it's going to take fairly major changes to get back to not much happening.
 

tje

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Hampshire
Many of the things our grandparents took as read are being undermined and condemned in the interests of "fairness and equality." This is a very worthy cause, but instead of raising everyone to a higher level, it seems to me we are sinking since it is far easier to pull something down than it is to create something better to replace what was there before.


I think our Grandparents would have been wise enough to realise that "fairness and equality " is the height of stupidity ...The only way you are going have equality if you dumb down the entire population to the lowest level .....hence the standard of politicans you see today .
 

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