Genuine or ag dealer UTTO?

[Kidds]

Tractor needs a service, any opinion on using genuine oils or is local ag dealer branded UTTO sufficient?
Always had genuine so far but seems expensive, tractor is 11 years old, no issues with it, no plan to replace so do want it to last as long as I can.

 

[Sebastian77]

Don't know how many times it's been said but tractor manufacturers don't make oil!

Buy correct spec oil off the shelf and live happy

 

[Will 1594]

Witham oils , all you require , @76masseyman Ask him ,
tractors here with upto 16000 hrs on witham oils ,
i thinkthey took jd to court and asked jd to prove their oil was not good enough ,when challenged about quality
they will do a machine survey and rec what oils you need , never had any issues , use a mix of genuine and non gen filters and their oil ,

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Buy on spec, the cheapest crap you can find is still better than they ran F1 engines on when we were young. Dealers fit stickers.

 

[agri knives]

Tractor needs a service, any opinion on using genuine oils or is local ag dealer branded UTTO sufficient?
Always had genuine so far but seems expensive, tractor is 11 years old, no issues with it, no plan to replace so do want it to last as long as I can.

What tractor is it.

 

[Kidds]

What tractor is it.

Same Dorado.
Deliberately didn't mention it to avoid all the team tractor stuff you get if it turns out to be the wrong colour. Having said that, Same's are probably less fussy than most others.

 

[Jsmith2211]

Same Dorado.
Deliberately didn't mention it to avoid all the team tractor stuff you get if it turns out to be the wrong colour. Having said that, Same's are probably less fussy than most others.

Many electrical faults with it after 11 years? Sames have a bit of a reputation for the electrics being a bit... Unreliable. Having said that, our valtra had numerous electrical issues and oil leaks after 7 years... Its probably more of a luck of the draw thing than brand, depends if your machine was a 4 o clock on a Friday job! As for the oil, we use the dealer spec stuff for our transmission (on the new machine) because its still under warrenty . In the older machines we use SUTO in the engine and back end, seems to work OK. No problems yet anyway, but they aren't clutch pack fancy powershift jobs like these modern ones are! (Plus if you use a thicker oil in the back end it means you get less leaks!)

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Same Dorado.
Deliberately didn't mention it to avoid all the team tractor stuff you get if it turns out to be the wrong colour. Having said that, Same's are probably less fussy than most others.

I just use UTTO in our one. They aren't too fussy as long as they're full

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Same Dorado.
Deliberately didn't mention it to avoid all the team tractor stuff you get if it turns out to be the wrong colour. Having said that, Same's are probably less fussy than most others.

If it’s power shuttle it needs UTTO, if it’s a mechanical shuttle and you don’t live in the North of Scotland you can even use 15/30 SUTO!!

 

[Kidds]

Many electrical faults with it after 11 years?

It does have a fault where it throws up an error code when you start it. Random codes and does it very random, might not do it for months at a time. Been like it since new and probably an iffy sensor connection somewhere. Just turn it off and try again sorts it.
Otherwise it has been fine as have the dozen or so other Same tractors we have had over the years. A couple set on fire for electrical reasons but so did an IH and a Transit van.
Would quite happily have another based on experiences so far.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

It does have a fault where it throws up an error code when you start it. Random codes and does it very random, might not do it for months at a time. Been like it since new and probably an iffy sensor connection somewhere. Just turn it off and try again sorts it.
Otherwise it has been fine as have the dozen or so other Same tractors we have had over the years. A couple set on fire for electrical reasons but so did an IH and a Transit van.
Would quite happily have another based on experiences so far.

M11?

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Any oil is better than no oil

 

[Kidds]

M11?

Code?
No, always starts with a T. Various numbers.

 

[Kidds]

Any oil is better than no oil

Yep, that's what I thought.

 

[Phil P]

I’ll probably get some stick but hey ho I’ll say it anyway.
It always amazes me how many times people come on here and say exactly what the op has said.
They’ve run their machines for x thousands of hours on the exact spec recommended oil and had no problems but because it’s now done a few thousand hours they want to change brand .
Shurly if you’ve had no problems it’s more reason to stick with what your using? I know plenty use equivalent oil’s without issue but what I will say is, as someone who fixes tractors for a living the majority of the transmission/brake/engine problems i see are the machines on equivalent oils.
And before anyone says I have as many machines on the books with dealer oil and equivalent hours as without.
I’m not saying I never see problems on machines that have run on the dealer oil but I can nearly always tell the difference in the condition of the internals when taking them apart!

 

[Moors Lad]

I’ll probably get some stick but hey ho I’ll say it anyway.
It always amazes me how many times people come on here and say exactly what the op has said.
They’ve run their machines for x thousands of hours on the exact spec recommended oil and had no problems but because it’s now done a few thousand hours they want to change brand .
Shurly if you’ve had no problems it’s more reason to stick with what your using? I know plenty use equivalent oil’s without issue but what I will say is, as someone who fixes tractors for a living the majority of the transmission/brake/engine problems i see are the machines on equivalent oils.
And before anyone says I have as many machines on the books with dealer oil and equivalent hours as without.
I’m not saying I never see problems on machines that have run on the dealer oil but I can nearly always tell the difference in the condition of the internals when taking them apart!

I guess it may be that the man that doesn`t use "original" oil may not be as careful with his kit, BUT the fact remains oil/filters are a very small cost of tractor ownership and the difference between "manufacturers" oil and "in spec" oil will be very little.
Your comment re the condition of the internals is very interesting....

 

[Bury the Trash]

utto from ford fuels (not sure whose it is) 'oils direct ' or is it their own it is a good oil ime , red in colour , cheaper than dynatrans

anyway i would recomend it .

 

[Steevo]

I’ll probably get some stick but hey ho I’ll say it anyway.
It always amazes me how many times people come on here and say exactly what the op has said.
They’ve run their machines for x thousands of hours on the exact spec recommended oil and had no problems but because it’s now done a few thousand hours they want to change brand .
Shurly if you’ve had no problems it’s more reason to stick with what your using? I know plenty use equivalent oil’s without issue but what I will say is, as someone who fixes tractors for a living the majority of the transmission/brake/engine problems i see are the machines on equivalent oils.
And before anyone says I have as many machines on the books with dealer oil and equivalent hours as without.
I’m not saying I never see problems on machines that have run on the dealer oil but I can nearly always tell the difference in the condition of the internals when taking them apart!

Welcome comments!

One thing I struggle with a bit is with a fleet of mixed tractor brands. If I used MF oil in that, Case oil in that, etc since they share machines, trailers etc. after a few months surely the oil has all got jumbled up and I’ve created my own unique blend?

 

[Phil P]

Welcome comments!

One thing I struggle with a bit is with a fleet of mixed tractor brands. If I used MF oil in that, Case oil in that, etc since they share machines, trailers etc. after a few months surely the oil has all got jumbled up and I’ve created my own unique blend?

Usually the amount of oil left in pipes and rams etc is very little on the grand scheme, but this is why service intervals should be kept too.
Number of times I’ve heard people say, we don’t need to change the oil in that because it keeps getting topped up

 

[Kidds]

I’ll probably get some stick but hey ho I’ll say it anyway.
It always amazes me how many times people come on here and say exactly what the op has said.
They’ve run their machines for x thousands of hours on the exact spec recommended oil and had no problems but because it’s now done a few thousand hours they want to change brand .
Shurly if you’ve had no problems it’s more reason to stick with what your using? I know plenty use equivalent oil’s without issue but what I will say is, as someone who fixes tractors for a living the majority of the transmission/brake/engine problems i see are the machines on equivalent oils.
And before anyone says I have as many machines on the books with dealer oil and equivalent hours as without.
I’m not saying I never see problems on machines that have run on the dealer oil but I can nearly always tell the difference in the condition of the internals when taking them apart!

No problem in using "genuine" oil if it is far superior in quality but can't help thinking they are just taking the pee.