Grain Haulage availability Harvest 2019

[Hanslope]

Is there still a lack of grain bulk hauliers?

I rely on sending all my crop either into Camgrain or sell off the combine, last year was very challenging due to the lack of haulage capacity.
Camgrain usually collect within 24 hours, but last harvest it was 4-5 days.

And selling off the combine was worse, most years can get it collected within 7 days, but it was more like 14 days.

So has anything changed in the industry? Or should I plan for this to be the new norm?

 

[DanniAgro]

A driver collecting my last load of corn told me that there's definitely a shortage in my area, so looks like it's here to stay.

 

[teslacoils]

Hassle camgrain. Make it their problem.

 

[Hanslope]

Hassle camgrain. Make it their problem.

I think they got plenty of hassle last year.

Although the whole central storage model depends on fast collection, if you need the ability to store 5 days of harvesting then why not just store it on farm.

So certainly if there's a repeat of last year then Camgrain is no longer a viable option.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Can you choose and organise your own haulier?

 

[bankrupt]

organise your own haulier?

Extra £1/tonne usually fixes it.

 

[yellow belly]

how much per tonne does a 10 mile haul cost

 

[Hanslope]

how much per tonne does a 10 mile haul cost

Probably the same as a thirty mile haul.

£5/t I would think.

 

[Jetemp]

how much per tonne does a 10 mile haul cost

Lots of variables, depends on loading and tipping waiting times. As mentioned above £5/ tonne won’t be to far off so long as no messing/waiting around.

Although let’s be realistic the reason that there is a lack of hauliers atm is that the rates have been screwed as tight as possible by merchants and farmers. Certain aspects of the bulk haulage world are a little like farm contracting, lots of expensive shiny equipment that need paying for I really don’t understand how some of the hauliers make the figures stack up!

James

 

[crazy_bull]

Lots of variables, depends on loading and tipping waiting times. As mentioned above £5/ tonne won’t be to far off so long as no messing/waiting around.

Although let’s be realistic the reason that there is a lack of hauliers atm is that the rates have been screwed as tight as possible by merchants and farmers. Certain aspects of the bulk haulage world are a little like farm contracting, lots of expensive shiny equipment that need paying for I really don’t understand how some of the hauliers make the figures stack up!

James

I was just going to write the exact same thing! When merchants and hauliers are missing business to competitors for literally 50p they cut their margins to a point that there is no point carrying on or they go bust.

Had a farmer customer who used to run 2-3 lorries come on at cereals on Wednesday and he said it got to a point he only hauled to a certain few local homes, (he hauled for a few merchants plus his own gear) his own OSR and beans he sold he let the merchant haul as they could do the haulage at £3-4/t less than he could realistically do it (long hauls). Then he found that he could even let the merchant haul his own wheat on the local hauls for less money than it cost him, what with running a small fleet. So he packed it in, multiply that up by 40-50 firms round the country and you are soon at over a hundred less lorries on the road, loose a few of the big players and it is easy to see how we are down something like 350 less grain lorries on the road compared to 5 years ago. Now of course rates aren't the only thing, increased legislation has made it tough for small firms and often large firms would rather haul stone or wood chip which is less likely to be rejected for what ever reason or not loaded because a last minute shoot invite came up, or the mills cancelled the bookings at the last minute etc etc

C B

 

[bankrupt]

a last minute shoot invite came up

C B

Even this year, 'off the combine' should be done and dusted by the 12th.

 

[crazy_bull]

Even this year, 'off the combine' should be done and dusted by the 12th.

Why you got some grouse to annoy?

Edit just re-read:

More about about haulier not wanting to haul farm grain through the season.

C B

 

[roscoe erf]

@fingermouse

 

[deleted user 837354]

Probably the same as a thirty mile haul.

£5/t I would think.

Someone in the game said that to me once- first 10 miles are the dearest.

 

[Jetemp]

@crazy_bull i am like your haulier with 2/3 wagons, I can make it work and can create a small profit. Our levels of investment are minute in comparison to the shiny crew we buy bulkers and tractors units at a budget others would laugh at! I pick and choose what I will do and where I’ll go I have some great work maximum distance 10 miles, use very little fuel in compasrrison to the long haul lads.

If you can get grain moved for £5/t i reckon if you paid £5.50 or £6 you’d have a queue of wagons fighting over the work within a few hours

 

[average farmer]

Had a few lorries in the yard recently and the word is there's not much work about, often only doing 1 or 2 local loads a day. Our lorry is still busy but our driver is prepared to be away all week. Don't bother getting him back to do our own grain as its too much fuss for £6/t to Selby

 

[Brisel]

I think they got plenty of hassle last year.

Although the whole central storage model depends on fast collection, if you need the ability to store 5 days of harvesting then why not just store it on farm.

So certainly if there's a repeat of last year then Camgrain is no longer a viable option.

What is the alternative? Many growers with off farm storage can't just quickly find an alternative that doesn't involve haulage. Try selling your space in Camgrain...

Can you make more buffer storage space available? Camgrain will have to address this issue or they will lose their points of difference from the corporates.

 

[fingermouse]

@fingermouse

Hello you called
Bet your glad that new ride of yours is going to earn its keep on flat work
£5/T about right for a 10 mile haul ,don't take much going wrong though especially sitting for hours waiting to tip to skim what bit of cream there is off the top
like has already been said earlier stone work far more appealing to tie in with regular straights work into mills rather than do grain

 

[ajd132]

Just for the record, the reason camgrain weren’t as efficient last harvest early on was because of ultra early harvest with old crop that still needed moving and new crop being harvested at a fair rate. This was an industry wide problem.
I recently went to see the transport office there and learn/understand more about it, it’s not a job I would want, very difficult.
The key is communication, not cutting 500 tonnes then getting back to the yard and expecting 15 lorries to turn up at the drop of a hat!

 

[kiwi pom]

I think they got plenty of hassle last year.

Although the whole central storage model depends on fast collection, if you need the ability to store 5 days of harvesting then why not just store it on farm.

So certainly if there's a repeat of last year then Camgrain is no longer a viable option.

Organise your own transport, book them in advance and give them a day rate whether they move or not and they'll be queued out your gate.
Stop, go, nothing today, a dozen loads tomorrow (which is the same day everyone wants them) how anyone could run like that is beyond me. That's without all the constraints on drivers etc.