Gs4 mixes yield?

[tr250]

I’m very interested in having some gs4 mixes for mid tier scheme. The payment looks very attractive and I like the idea of soil conditioning. At the moment we have 2 year Italian ryegrass leys grazed in winter and till 1sr April then cut 3 times using 86kgs of N per cut. How many acres will I need to make same amount of tons of silage. I appreciate the quality will be better but we want bulk in the clamp

 

[harperfarmer]

GS4 is more of a multi species mix isn't it?! Im putting around 35 acres in this autumn as part of our mid tier and haven't quite got round to properly looking at mixes on offer currently. Am I right in thinking they can be grazed as well as cut but need to be left between April and the end of May unstocked or cut? I would imagine yield would be lower than your Italian leys but at a quick glance they are still 60-70% ryegrass so shouldn'tbe drastically lower.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

GS4 EK21 Legume And Herb Rich Swards Seed Mix (GS4) (EK21) (Acre Pack)
2.50 kg GLENARIFF Perennial Ryegrass Int Dip
2.60 kg FOXTROT Perennial Ryegrass Late Dip
0.50 kg SPARTA Cocksfoot
0.80 kg COSMOLIT Meadow Fescue
1.00 kg ERECTA Timothy
0.50 kg KORA Tall Fescue
0.70 kg ALTASWEDE Red Clover
0.70 kg MERVIOT Red Clover
0.40 kg LEO Birdsfoot Trefoil
0.50 kg AURORA Alsike Clover
0.60 kg Common Sainfoin
0.30 kg CHOICE Chicory
0.15 kg Yarrow
0.40 kg Sheep's Parsley
0.35 kg TONIC Plantain
1.00 kg Sheep's Burnet
13.00 kg per acre

 

[Derrick Hughes]

HM.28 Heavy Land Herbal Ley Grass Seed Mix (Acre Pack) fits GS4
2.20 kg PARDUS Meadow Fescue
2.65 kg FOXTROT Perennial Ryegrass Late Dip
1.85 kg COMER Timothy
1.00 kg FOJTAN Festulolium Hybrid
1.00 kg KORA Tall Fescue
0.20 kg COMMERCIAL Sweet Vernal Grass
1.40 kg MERULA Red Clover
0.40 kg AURORA Alsike Clover
0.25 kg COMMERCIAL Yellow Blossom Clover
0.20 kg LEO Birdsfoot Trefoil
0.70 kg ALICE White Clover
0.40 kg MERLYN White Clover
1.00 kg CANDY Common Vetch
0.25 kg CHOICE Chicory
0.20 kg TONIC Plantain
0.10 kg COMMERCIAL Yarrow
0.10 kg COMMERCIAL Sheeps Parsley
0.10 kg COMMERCIAL Sheeps Burnet
14.00 kg per acre

 

[DRC]

GS4 EK21 Legume And Herb Rich Swards Seed Mix (GS4) (EK21) (Acre Pack)
2.50 kg GLENARIFF Perennial Ryegrass Int Dip
2.60 kg FOXTROT Perennial Ryegrass Late Dip
0.50 kg SPARTA Cocksfoot
0.80 kg COSMOLIT Meadow Fescue
1.00 kg ERECTA Timothy
0.50 kg KORA Tall Fescue
0.70 kg ALTASWEDE Red Clover
0.70 kg MERVIOT Red Clover
0.40 kg LEO Birdsfoot Trefoil
0.50 kg AURORA Alsike Clover
0.60 kg Common Sainfoin
0.30 kg CHOICE Chicory
0.15 kg Yarrow
0.40 kg Sheep's Parsley
0.35 kg TONIC Plantain
1.00 kg Sheep's Burnet
13.00 kg per acre

How much an acre

 

[Derrick Hughes]

How much an acre

I believe @Kevtherev is agent in your area

 

[Derrick Hughes]

How does this apply in Wales or does it not

 

[Kevtherev]

The man from Cornwall be about in a bit derek ?

 

[Sid]

@Great In Grass

 

[deleted user 837354]

How much fertiliser can you put on these mixes? I should think any fertiliser would mean the dominant species in it just snuff out the included riff-raff? Festulolium in amongst that lot? Cripes, it makes no sense.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

GS4: Legume and herb-rich swards

Find out about eligibility and requirements for the legume and herb-rich swards option.

www.gov.uk

 

[neilo]

How does this apply in Wales or does it not

Different schemes and specs in Wales (Glastir), and all likely to change again over the next few years.

 

[neilo]

How much fertiliser can you put on these mixes? I should think any fertiliser would mean the dominant species in it just snuff out the included riff-raff? Festulolium in amongst that lot? Cripes, it makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. Festuloliums haven’t revolutionised pastures and won’t be selling in the volumes anticipated. Best outlet for all that seed is to chuck a bit in every mix to bulk it up.

If you chuck enough stuff in the mixture something will surely find it’s feet in amongst the weeds, giving a diverse sward ......which is presumably the aim under the enviro schemes.

 

[deleted user 837354]

It makes perfect sense. Festuloliums haven’t revolutionised pastures and won’t be selling in the volumes anticipated. Best outlet for all that seed is to chuck a bit in every mix to bulk it up.

If you chuck enough stuff in the mixture something will surely find it’s feet in amongst the weeds, giving a diverse sward ......which is presumably the aim under the enviro schemes.

So long as the radon hasn't killed everything first!

 

[Durry cows]

I’m very interested in having some gs4 mixes for mid tier scheme. The payment looks very attractive and I like the idea of soil conditioning. At the moment we have 2 year Italian ryegrass leys grazed in winter and till 1sr April then cut 3 times using 86kgs of N per cut. How many acres will I need to make same amount of tons of silage. I appreciate the quality will be better but we want bulk in the clamp

Daft question but is the £309/hectare payment on top of or in place of the £185 or so non sda payment? Just to clarify...

 

[Cornish farmer]

Daft question but is the £309/hectare payment on top of or in place of the £185 or so non sda payment? Just to clarify...

On top of

 

[DRC]

How much fertiliser can you put on these mixes? I should think any fertiliser would mean the dominant species in it just snuff out the included riff-raff? Festulolium in amongst that lot? Cripes, it makes no sense.

Non, that’s the problem .

 

[Bill the Bass]

GS4 is more of a multi species mix isn't it?! Im putting around 35 acres in this autumn as part of our mid tier and haven't quite got round to properly looking at mixes on offer currently. Am I right in thinking they can be grazed as well as cut but need to be left between April and the end of May unstocked or cut? I would imagine yield would be lower than your Italian leys but at a quick glance they are still 60-70% ryegrass so shouldn'tbe drastically lower.

You have to rest them for five weeks but is it five consecutive weeks?

 

[Durry cows]

You have to rest them for five weeks but is it five consecutive weeks?

Yes between April may it says, Is there any other requirements ie grazing? Has anyone any pictures of herbal leys? Bet it makes some nice haylage after that 5 week rest?

 

[Devon James]

You have to rest them for five weeks but is it five consecutive weeks?

Yes