How essential is dressing on 2nd wheat?

[Wigeon]

Not had the test results back yet, but this will be 2nd wheat after a summer cover crop.

Obviously later drilling, but assuming test results for most things come back clear, how much risk would not dressing seed be?

Thanks!

 

[Brisel]

What dressing are you thinking of? Take all control with Latitude?

My Extase second wheat will be sown mid October with no dressing at all. A low fusarium score, that's all. If you want to drill light land this week, the take all risk is much higher but Chiltern clay in October will be fine.

 

[snipe]

We have home saved seed for years, never dressed. We buy a bit of new each year, haven’t seen a yield difference between the two

 

[Flat 10]

What dressing are you thinking of? Take all control with Latitude?

My Extase second wheat will be sown mid October with no dressing at all. A low fusarium score, that's all. If you want to drill light land this week, the take all risk is much higher but Chiltern clay in October will be fine.

Interesting, may have misunderstood but I thought that extase wasn’t great as a second wheat

 

[DefenderDave]

We have home saved seed for years, never dressed. We buy a bit of new each year, haven’t seen a yield difference between the two

Ran out of spring barley seed this year so one field was half dressed and half off the heap. Agromonist was adamant I’d see the yield difference, and geuss what?

There was no yield difference.

 

[Tarw Coch]

I was going to start a thread but if you don’t mind, I’ll just ask here.
Thoughts on drilling barley straight off the heap.
It’s following wheat that was only combined last week and was destined for reseeding but it’s getting a bit wet/late for that now.
No guarantee it will dry up enough to drill barley although we haven’t had the rain some places have had.
Ordering seed would leave me rather committed if it doesn’t dry up, straight out of the heap could be a very short notice decision

 

[snipe]

Just do a quick germination test, otherwise it will be fine. Check for coulter blockages regularly

 

[David.]

I was going to start a thread but if you don’t mind, I’ll just ask here.
Thoughts on drilling barley straight off the heap.
It’s following wheat that was only combined last week and was destined for reseeding but it’s getting a bit wet/late for that now.
No guarantee it will dry up enough to drill barley although we haven’t had the rain some places have had.
Ordering seed would leave me rather committed if it doesn’t dry up, straight out of the heap could be a very short notice decision

May not be obvious when you fill the drill, but there can be plenty of brome come up in the crop.

 

[Tarw Coch]

May not be obvious when you fill the drill, but there can be plenty of brome come up in the crop.

Brome?
Your talking to a livestock farmer here who dabbles in growing a bit of corn for home use and the straw
As for coulter blockages, presumably from a less than clean sample?
It will be the same contractor drilling as did the combining……………they’re pretty good at what they do so hopefully all would be ok on that front

 

[David.]

Brome?
Your talking to a livestock farmer here who dabbles in growing a bit of corn for home use and the straw
As for coulter blockages, presumably from a less than clean sample?
It will be the same contractor drilling as did the combining……………they’re pretty good at what they do so hopefully all would be ok on that front

Just relaying an instance that I'm aware of.

 

[bobk]

I was going to start a thread but if you don’t mind, I’ll just ask here.
Thoughts on drilling barley straight off the heap.
It’s following wheat that was only combined last week and was destined for reseeding but it’s getting a bit wet/late for that now.
No guarantee it will dry up enough to drill barley although we haven’t had the rain some places have had.
Ordering seed would leave me rather committed if it doesn’t dry up, straight out of the heap could be a very short notice decision

Not a problem , don't forget to pay your royalties .

 

[Bumble Bee]

Brome?
Your talking to a livestock farmer here who dabbles in growing a bit of corn for home use and the straw
As for coulter blockages, presumably from a less than clean sample?
It will be the same contractor drilling as did the combining……………they’re pretty good at what they do so hopefully all would be ok on that front

We have a rule. If the seeds not been through a cleaner, it doesn't go through our drills. Unfortunately last week we ended up getting lots of blockages at one particular farm. Despite his assurance that the seed had been cleaned, this ended up in the metering system and chewed up a metering roller.

 

[Jo28]

We have a rule. If the seeds not been through a cleaner, it doesn't go through our drills. Unfortunately last week we ended up getting lots of blockages at one particular farm. Despite his assurance that the seed had been cleaned, this ended up in the metering system and chewed up a metering roller.

how did that get past the grid in the drill hopper?

 

[Bumble Bee]

how did that get past the grid in the drill hopper?

Round the end of the grid i think.

 

[Jo28]

Round the end of the grid i think.

Unfortunate

 

[clbarclay]

We have a rule. If the seeds not been through a cleaner, it doesn't go through our drills. Unfortunately last week we ended up getting lots of blockages at one particular farm. Despite his assurance that the seed had been cleaned, this ended up in the metering system and chewed up a metering roller.

Sounds like you could invest in your own mobile cleaner and extend your rule to all FSS must go though your cleaner before it goes through your drill.

Also the grids in hoppers do all too often look like half baked after thoughts.

 

[Tarw Coch]

We have a rule. If the seeds not been through a cleaner, it doesn't go through our drills. Unfortunately last week we ended up getting lots of blockages at one particular farm. Despite his assurance that the seed had been cleaned, this ended up in the metering system and chewed up a metering roller.

Pleased to say that 50 acres of barley was drilled yesterday with seed straight out of the pile without incident.
Only thing I thought noticeable was that it was quite dusty when filling the drill

 

[clbarclay]

I've drilled quite a bit off the heap over the years. Most of it has been perfectly fine.

Then there are the occasions when it hasn't. Incidents like what stone would be very rare (varying with combine driver etc.) but a lot of cost and hassle to deal with ifit does happen. I've had oats straight off the heap that barely flowed. Looked like I had drilled at quarter rate and it was too late to redrill by the time it was obvious.

I can clean my own FSS now and when cleaning I tend to deal in whole trailer fulls. Need 8 tons, clean 12, get 11, tip a bit or a lot back on the heap. It's easier to just run a bit more through the cleaner than I expect to use and avoid a lot of issues, but then none of it gets chemically dressed.

 

[Wigeon]

Disease scores have all come back clear so ill be cracking on once the recent 300mm has drained away...

All going through my new bodged up mobile cleaner. Excuse lack of guards- vid taken on the first test after assembly, but now fitted obviously.

 

[Baz65]

Disease scores have all come back clear so ill be cracking on once the recent 300mm has drained away...

All going through my new bodged up mobile cleaner. Excuse lack of guards- vid taken on the first test after assembly, but now fitted obviously.

No picture just sound off a steam train going passed