How to clear a flooded road?

[kiwi pom]

As the other thread was quite rightly deleted because of insults, I thought I'd ask.
I assume there's drains and soakaways but a soakaway will just fill up won't it? As for drains where do they go, especially on older roads?

 

[Devil's advocate]

Council pour water into our top field

Then I get it in the neck about soil erosion & flooding onto neighbours from our bottom field. That is free draining land with no drains. Just the sheer amount of run off.

 

[kiwi pom]

Council pour water into our top field

Then I get it in the neck about soil erosion & flooding onto neighbours from our bottom field. That is free draining land with no drains. Just the sheer amount of run off.

Where else could it go?

 

[M-J-G]

Wasn't there a thread started about this earlier today?

 

[kiwi pom]

Wasn't there a thread started about this earlier today?

Yes as I said it got deleted, I think someone was throwing insults.
Thought it raised an interesting question though.

 

[M-J-G]

Yes as I said it got deleted, I think someone was throwing insults.
Thought it raised an interesting question though.

Oh right, it must have been bad to delete a whole thread.

 

[melted welly]

Where else could it go?

from my experience, there’s a few options where it COULD go, but doesn’t.

into the porous concrete piped council ditches that are all crumbing and blocked through lack of maintenance.

Or the 6” leaders that BT Openreach mole their cables through and block.

or the roadside drainage chambers full of tree roots that they are incapable of recognising as a problem.

had all of the above and the only solution is to just fix it yourself after half 3 on a Friday and before Monday at 8am when the wombles are all away home.

no point trying t work with them, take forever t come out, eventually turn up during May after 6wks without rain, say they can’t see a problem and even if they could it’s not really their dept and that colleague is off work for next 8months..

No money in budget for these jobs, but plenty roadsigns/vehicles being doubled up in English and Gaelic..

Priorities are too politically influenced.

 

[M-J-G]

I was always told you had to take the water from who ever is up the hill from you.

We have a couple of fields that take water from a road, but we also have a field that runs onto a road.

comme ci comme ça

 

[puppet]

The council dig a sheugh up to the fence. What happens to the water after that is your problem unless you happen to have a ditch nearby

 

[Sid]

Seem to clear drains all the time locally, couple of minutes and the waters flowing.

No one else seems to bother!

 

[Wombat]

I was always told you had to take the water from who ever is up the hill from you.

We have a couple of fields that take water from a road, but we also have a field that runs onto a road.

comme ci comme ça

I think the rule as I said in the other thread is you have to take natural flow, you cannot concrete over an area and put into your neighbours field etc any modified or adjusted flow doesn’t have to be accepted. The highways one i Was sure if they had special powers

 

[Wombat]

Seem to clear drains all the time locally, couple of minutes and the waters flowing.

No one else seems to bother!

Yes but one of the main becks through the farm has 4ft fall in 3/4 of a mile so if i don’t we get very wet

 

[kiwi pom]

from my experience, there’s a few options where it COULD go, but doesn’t.

into the porous concrete piped council ditches that are all crumbing and blocked through lack of maintenance.

Or the 6” leaders that BT Openreach mole their cables through and block.

or the roadside drainage chambers full of tree roots that they are incapable of recognising as a problem.

had all of the above and the only solution is to just fix it yourself after half 3 on a Friday and before Monday at 8am when the wombles are all away home.

no point trying t work with them, take forever t come out, eventually turn up during May after 6wks without rain, say they can’t see a problem and even if they could it’s not really their dept and that colleague is off work for next 8months..

No money in budget for these jobs, but plenty roadsigns/vehicles being doubled up in English and Gaelic..

Priorities are too politically influenced.

Usual story of the department that actually needs the money to do something never gets any and when they do the rules they work under means they can't do anything anyway.
My point is if there's a drain in a low point of the road, where does the drain go? It can't follow the road up and down so must discharge into a low spot somewhere.
I should think the drains on some of the old roads are non existent.

 

[TheTallGuy]

We have a kerb drain outside our house - the council/highways department are responsible for the drain & chamber which discharges into the a storm drain which comes under Anglian Water... it's almost always not working. Sequence of events is usually the council come out & say it is the storm drain so they can't do anything, AW come out & say the drain is running fine, it must be the chamber, council come out.... In reality it's the portal between the two fills with mud & 60 seconds with a spade would sort it, but no one wants to take responsibility for doing it.

 

[Zebbedee]

from my experience, there’s a few options where it COULD go, but doesn’t.

into the porous concrete piped council ditches that are all crumbing and blocked through lack of maintenance.

Or the 6” leaders that BT Openreach mole their cables through and block.

or the roadside drainage chambers full of tree roots that they are incapable of recognising as a problem.

had all of the above and the only solution is to just fix it yourself after half 3 on a Friday and before Monday at 8am when the wombles are all away home.

no point trying t work with them, take forever t come out, eventually turn up during May after 6wks without rain, say they can’t see a problem and even if they could it’s not really their dept and that colleague is off work for next 8months..

No money in budget for these jobs, but plenty roadsigns/vehicles being doubled up in English and Gaelic..

Priorities are too politically influenced.

Absolutely correct around here too

 

[GeorgeK]

Roads get worse, weather gets worse. People buy 4X4s to get about. The 4X4s cause the roads to deteriorate faster and their higher emissions speed up global warming. This results in the roads getting even worse, so bigger 4X4s are needed... In 10 years the biggest sellers won't be electric cars, it'll be Fastracs and Unimogs

 

[Steevo]

I emailed the council about a known blocked road drain recently and suggested the CCTV’d the pipe followed by jetting.

I was told it would be jettted, and CCTV would follow in the next financial year! I wonder how they would respond if my lack of maintenance was causing traffic hazards and I told them I would take action next financial year.

 

[puppet]

I have heard of jobs abandoned while almost finished as the planned budget had been spent and everyone went back to the depot

 

[melted welly]

Usual story of the department that actually needs the money to do something never gets any and when they do the rules they work under means they can't do anything anyway.
My point is if there's a drain in a low point of the road, where does the drain go? It can't follow the road up and down so must discharge into a low spot somewhere.
I should think the drains on some of the old roads are non existent.

There would have been a ditch for this purpose historically. the road would of been built up with ditches to catch the run off. They were piped and covered as the road widths grew. Some pipes used were good quality concrete, some were porous and are rotting and sometimes they just filled them with rubble.

Add into this them and other utilities outsourcing maintenance to the lowest bidder and you get uncoordinated teams of Wayne’s in transit vans and 3cx diggers criss crossing the road network with no knowledge or care of what the existing infrastructure is.

The problem is that we are reaping what the council are sowing and its expensive to put right.

 

[Bongodog]

We have a kerb drain outside our house - the council/highways department are responsible for the drain & chamber which discharges into the a storm drain which comes under Anglian Water... it's almost always not working. Sequence of events is usually the council come out & say it is the storm drain so they can't do anything, AW come out & say the drain is running fine, it must be the chamber, council come out.... In reality it's the portal between the two fills with mud & 60 seconds with a spade would sort it, but no one wants to take responsibility for doing it.

We have the issue whereby all storm water goes down County Council gullies into district council drains and the into EA watercourses, makes it very easy for any of them to pass the buck when asked to sort out problems. Anglian Water just as bad, recently had overflowing sewers in the village and some people were told to ring Highways instead of Anglian Water sorting out their problems