Jd commandquad

[Serup]

I have a 2019 jd 6195m with commandquad eco transmission. The tractor is used for a lot of different tasks, but not a lot of heavy pulling. It turned 2000 hours yesterday and the second powershift gear started to slip and make awfull sounds when pulling more than the tractor itself.
I called the dealer. They have already had two (smaller) 6m with the same transmission and same problem. It’s supposedly the teeth on the gear that gets shawed off. They say jd will pay 50% of the fix and the dealer will pay 25%, leaving me with the last 25% and no tractor for two weeks. My 25% is said to be in the region of £3000. It think that is crazy and absolutely not what i signed up for. It was sold as the new version of the 7810, a bombproof tractor with nothing to go wrong.
Has anyone experienced this and if so, at what hours and how was it rectified?
They say it will get stronger parts so it shouldn’t happen again - but that just make me find it less reasonable that i should pay a fortune.

 

[Dian Landman]

I have a 2019 jd 6195m with commandquad eco transmission. The tractor is used for a lot of different tasks, but not a lot of heavy pulling. It turned 2000 hours yesterday and the second powershift gear started to slip and make awfull sounds when pulling more than the tractor itself.
I called the dealer. They have already had two (smaller) 6m with the same transmission and same problem. It’s supposedly the teeth on the gear that gets shawed off. They say jd will pay 50% of the fix and the dealer will pay 25%, leaving me with the last 25% and no tractor for two weeks. My 25% is said to be in the region of £3000. It think that is crazy and absolutely not what i signed up for. It was sold as the new version of the 7810, a bombproof tractor with nothing to go wrong.
Has anyone experienced this and if so, at what hours and how was it rectified?
They say it will get stronger parts so it shouldn’t happen again - but that just make me find it less reasonable that i should pay a fortune.

I really hope this doesnt happen to me. I have a 2020 model and it does a lot of hard pulling. I wouldnt be happy either. That is so close to the factory warranty that I would fight that John Deere covers all repair.

 

[daveydiesel1]

But a powerquad next time would be the better idea id say

 

[Serup]

But a powerquad next time would be the better idea id say

I was told it was the same transmission, just with an arm making the group changes.

I really hate how the stick versions are to handle and would never buy one.

We have had a 98 deutz agrotron from new, with 6 speed zf transmission. It is so much easier to operate, than i have never been impressed with deeres manual boxes

 

[Ducati899]

If they are prepared to cover 75% of the cost then they should be more than prepared to pay the lot IMO

 

[daveydiesel1]

If they are prepared to cover 75% of the cost then they should be more than prepared to pay the lot IMO

75% and the other 25% is 3 grand. For a new heavier duty gear a 12 grand bill doesnt seem right. Id say itl probably cost deere 3 grand to sort it, tell the customer it was 12 and there payin 9 of it. Customer thinks fair enough all the while hes gettin shafted as usual

 

[Phil P]

Think someone is talking the p!ss at those prices! Will be around £500 for new B2 plates and center gear, would need some gaskets and labour on top of that so couple of grand tops.
However I’ve not seen the tractor or had this exact failure so there could be other parts needed but at 12k your over halfway to a new transmission!
Even on a major powerquad failure I’ve never known it cost more then 5k in parts and that was replacing some big components and ever plate in there.

Biggest job is getting it out, only about 2-3 hours to completely strip and rebuild the powerquad after that.

 

[Serup]

Think someone is talking the p!ss at those prices! Will be around £500 for new B2 plates and center gear, would need some gaskets and labour on top of that so couple of grand tops.
However I’ve not seen the tractor or had this exact failure so there could be other parts needed but at 12k your over halfway to a new transmission!
Even on a major powerquad failure I’ve never known it cost more then 5k in parts and that was replacing some big components and ever plate in there.

Biggest job is getting it out, only about 2-3 hours to completely strip and rebuild the powerquad after that.

Well i must admit that i think the price is heavily inflated, so it looks like i only pay a smaller part, but in reality i pay most.
I was told it was a cab off job and transmission off. But as i understand it, it’s only to change the second powershift gear.

 

[Phil P]

Well i must admit that i think the price is heavily inflated, so it looks like i only pay a smaller part, but in reality i pay most.
I was told it was a cab off job and transmission off. But as i understand it, it’s only to change the second powershift gear.

It will be a cab off and powerquad out job, that’s where the bulk of the labour is, still not a massive job though, where talking hours not weeks.

That’s trouble on the R’s you have to remove the cab, the older models the cab tilts and is only an hour of a job to get it over.
I rebuilt a 6930 powerquad yesterday and had it back in, cab down and running, only took 6 hours including stopping for dinner and a brew. Cab off/on takes a little longer though.

 

[daveydiesel1]

It will be a cab off and powerquad out job, that’s where the bulk of the labour is, still not a massive job though, where talking hours not weeks.

That’s trouble on the R’s you have to remove the cab, the older models the cab tilts and is only an hour of a job to get it over.
I rebuilt a 6930 powerquad yesterday and had it back in, cab down and running, only took 6 hours including stopping for dinner and a brew. Cab off/on takes a little longer though.

But its a 195m so does that not mean the cab tilts?

 

[Phil P]

But its a 195m so does that not mean the cab tilts?

I’ll be honest I’ve not had much to do with the M’s but I’m pretty sure it’s still a cab off job.

 

[Timbo]

But its a 195m so does that not mean the cab tilts?

Cab off. No hinges.

 

[vantage]

Cab off. No hinges.

A backward step in design. Always thought a tilt cab was a good idea, all those hgv’s can’t be wrong. Got it on my Weidemann loader.

 

[daveydiesel1]

A backward step in design. Always thought a tilt cab was a good idea, all those hgv’s can’t be wrong. Got it on my Weidemann loader.

Exactly. Small things like this really make a difference to the end user. They are gettin plenty of money for thier products so why isnt things like exhaust brakes, tilting cabs and footsteps/exhausts that actually last not standard fitment

 

[Deerefarmer]

I’ll be honest I’ve not had much to do with the M’s but I’m pretty sure it’s still a cab off job.

Not arguing your experience but I would think it be simpler to roll out rear end like a 7810?

 

[Phil P]

Not arguing your experience but I would think it be simpler to roll out rear end like a 7810?

Don’t thinking it’s that straight forward to separate the pipe work, the 7000 are designed to be split. As I say I’m not that familiar with the M but if it’s anyone like my R the fuel tank raps around the back axle and the pipwork isn’t designed to easily come away.
To be fair remove the cab is not that bad, probably easier than a 50 series! Few cables and pipes then 90% of the controls are electric so just unplug.
I never use to particularly enjoy splitting 7/8 series, it always seemed a faf with all the heavy splitting gear when you could have a cab over on 6 in under an hour.

 

[Deerefarmer]

Don’t thinking it’s that straight forward to separate the pipe work, the 7000 are designed to be split. As I say I’m not that familiar with the M but if it’s anyone like my R the fuel tank raps around the back axle and the pipwork isn’t designed to easily come away.
To be fair remove the cab is not that bad, probably easier than a 50 series! Few cables and pipes then 90% of the controls are electric so just unplug.
I never use to particularly enjoy splitting 7/8 series, it always seemed a faf with all the heavy splitting gear when you could have a cab over on 6 in under an hour.

Ah makes sense... a lot more plumbing on an m or r than the ten series.

 

[Phil P]

Ah makes sense... a lot more plumbing on an m or r than the ten series.

It’s like 6000 where designed to tilt the cab 7/8000 where designed to split, the R/M’s are designed to remove the cab. It’s not like it’s not been thought out if that makes sense but I still think it’s a step backwards.