Just puncture the boats

[Ashtree]

It’s interesting to look at the current situation in Poland and Hungary. Both countries have developed and benefitted enormously from EU membership. Their infrastructure, economies and standards of living having vastly improved.
Both of course have had and still have, right wing populist governments and leaders, who continuously veer further to the right. Viciously ant immigrant policies and rhetoric are order of the day, and seemingly a surefire way to garner voted come election time.
But now of course, economic success means high employment and significant gaps opening up in the labour market. Both countries need people in at many levels of the labour market.
Careful what you wish for. Eh..
Meanwhile at the other end of Europe, another country which has utterly transformed itself and it’s economy as a result of EU membership, has demonstrated how to relatively successfully integrate needed immigrants to sustain and grow an economy and society at large. ROI simply gets on with it. Vast numbers of immigrants have arrived on our shores over the past 20 years. They work and contribute. Of course there are also problems, none more so than shortage of houses in the right place. Thankfully though, as yet in any case, we don‘t have a rabble rousing extreme right anti immigration group or political party, which has gained any electoral success. Here’s hoping that remains the case. We need people.

 

[Danllan]

It’s interesting to look at the current situation in Poland and Hungary. Both countries have developed and benefitted enormously from EU membership. Their infrastructure, economies and standards of living having vastly improved.
Both of course have had and still have, right wing populist governments and leaders, who continuously veer further to the right. Viciously ant immigrant policies and rhetoric are order of the day, and seemingly a surefire way to garner voted come election time.
But now of course, economic success means high employment and significant gaps opening up in the labour market. Both countries need people in at many levels of the labour market.
Careful what you wish for. Eh..
Meanwhile at the other end of Europe, another country which has utterly transformed itself and it’s economy as a result of EU membership, has demonstrated how to relatively successfully integrate needed immigrants to sustain and grow an economy and society at large. ROI simply gets on with it. Vast numbers of immigrants have arrived on our shores over the past 20 years. They work and contribute. Of course there are also problems, none more so than shortage of houses in the right place. Thankfully though, as yet in any case, we don‘t have a rabble rousing extreme right anti immigration group or political party, which has gained any electoral success. Here’s hoping that remains the case. We need people.

Why has the ROI legislated to ban immigrants / asylum seekers from a (growing) list of countries?

 

[Leakey wellies]

Why has the ROI legislated to ban immigrants / asylum seekers from a (growing) list of countries?

Because we are a sovereign country that can.

 

[Danllan]

Because we are a sovereign country that can.

Yes, when compatible with EU law.

 

[Setanta_]

It’s interesting to look at the current situation in Poland and Hungary. Both countries have developed and benefitted enormously from EU membership. Their infrastructure, economies and standards of living having vastly improved.
Both of course have had and still have, right wing populist governments and leaders, who continuously veer further to the right. Viciously ant immigrant policies and rhetoric are order of the day, and seemingly a surefire way to garner voted come election time.
But now of course, economic success means high employment and significant gaps opening up in the labour market. Both countries need people in at many levels of the labour market.
Careful what you wish for. Eh..
Meanwhile at the other end of Europe, another country which has utterly transformed itself and it’s economy as a result of EU membership, has demonstrated how to relatively successfully integrate needed immigrants to sustain and grow an economy and society at large. ROI simply gets on with it. Vast numbers of immigrants have arrived on our shores over the past 20 years. They work and contribute. Of course there are also problems, none more so than shortage of houses in the right place. Thankfully though, as yet in any case, we don‘t have a rabble rousing extreme right anti immigration group or political party, which has gained any electoral success. Here’s hoping that remains the case. We need people.

Ireland despite what media will tell you,is near impossible to immigrate into to permanently from outside the EU

I've alot of friends who moved to Oz from London after meeting non-EU partners in London....I've a cousin married to a woman from Central America and the hoops they had to jump through for her to be allowed to stay permanently was nuts and much more excessive and introsive than what is presented in the media

 

[Ashtree]

Why has the ROI legislated to ban immigrants / asylum seekers from a (growing) list of countries?

Ireland has a legal structure, complimentary to international law, with regards to immigration and asylum. Folks who arrive have a pathway to staying / citizenship, OR, a one way ticket back to where they came from.
My small humble village is home to Syrian and Nigerian refugees. Most have citizenship and more in the process.

Ireland: Government opens new scheme for asylum seekers

ec.europa.eu

 

[Ashtree]

Ireland despite what media will tell you,is near impossible to immigrate into to permanently from outside the EU

I've alot of friends who moved to Oz from London after meeting non-EU partners in London....I've a cousin married to a woman from Central America and the hoops they had to jump through for her to be allowed to stay permanently was nuts and much more excessive and introsive than what is presented in the media

There is due process required. Rightly so.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/coming-to-join-family-in-ireland/joining-an-irish-national/join-family-visa/

 

[Danllan]

Ireland has a legal structure, complimentary to international law, with regards to immigration and asylum. Folks who arrive have a pathway to staying / citizenship, OR, a one way ticket back to where they came from.
My small humble village is home to Syrian and Nigerian refugees. Most have citizenship and more in the process.

Ireland: Government opens new scheme for asylum seekers

ec.europa.eu

Fascinating, why has the ROI legislated to ban immigrants / asylum seekers from a (growing) list of countries?

 

[Ashtree]

Fascinating, why has the ROI legislated to ban immigrants / asylum seekers from a (growing) list of countries?

You need to be specific here. I don‘t know of any such legislation, and Google search appears also not to know of any such legislation.
What does appear is an Irish decision to temporarily suspend the council of Europe agreement (as is allowed for in it‘s rules), in relation to asylum seekers.
This is because of apparent abuse of the system by some such asylum seekers.
My point is, that there seems to be a working immigration / asylum seeker, system in ROI and indeed most other European countries both inside and outside the EU.
Britain does not seem to be able to rationally manage the situation as it pertains to it, without resorting to madcap headline grabbing stunts, like the Rwanda scheme and the latest barge holding system. Utter frigging madness, which is way beneath Britain to be quite honest.

 

[Danllan]

You need to be specific here. I don‘t know of any such legislation, and Google search appears also not to know of any such legislation.
What does appear is an Irish decision to temporarily suspend the council of Europe agreement (as is allowed for in it‘s rules), in relation to asylum seekers.
This is because of apparent abuse of the system by some such asylum seekers.
My point is, that there seems to be a working immigration / asylum seeker, system in ROI and indeed most other European countries both inside and outside the EU.
Britain does not seem to be able to rationally manage the situation as it pertains to it, without resorting to madcap headline grabbing stunts, like the Rwanda scheme and the latest barge holding system. Utter frigging madness, which is way beneath Britain to be quite honest.

We agree that HMG are making a pig's ear of immigration at the moment; and yes the bit about the suspension is right in spirit - but avoids the whole story. As for working systems in the EU etc., take a squint at Italy and Greece, and see how the Eastern states yell - understandably - when their Eastern neighbours do little or nothing and actually encourage immigration to them, as France does regarding the UK. You have the UK between the ROI and Europe, which is a bit like Jupiter stopping things hitting the Earth, it absorbs the great majority. I we bussed the lot up to and helped them over the border into the ROI, or did SFA if they were trying to cross the Irish Sea en masse, you'd be screaming about it.

As for the rest, I'm just not falling for it; I briefly wondered if you were being honest, genuinely ignorant, or just not being honest - and that last is my best guess, based on your record... you've cried wolf too many times. Nice try, but not good enough.

 

[Setanta_]

There is due process required. Rightly so.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/coming-to-join-family-in-ireland/joining-an-irish-national/join-family-visa/

In no way is this related to immigrating permanently.....someone from outside the EU will find it near impossible to immigrate permanent to Ireland.....all those Brazilian meat factory workers,Indian doctors,nurses etc are on at max 5 to 7 year visas and if usually end up going home....they can't put down roots here and are entitled to near zero state assistance

 

[hoff135]

All these young males fleeing war and military service, wonder what they will do if Britain ever found itself in a big war and there was a draft? Are they going to bolt?

Men who ran from military service have been traditionally viewed as cowards, and plenty were shot for doing so.

I wonder how many of these new arrivals would line up to defend this country if it was in danger

 

[oval]

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

All these young males fleeing war and military service, wonder what they will do if Britain ever found itself in a big war and there was a draft? Are they going to bolt?

Most of our native under 25's would be bailing out with them.

 

[tractorsandcows]

All these young males fleeing war and military service, wonder what they will do if Britain ever found itself in a big war and there was a draft? Are they going to bolt?

Men who ran from military service have been traditionally viewed as cowards, and plenty were shot for doing so.

I wonder how many of these new arrivals would line up to defend this country if it was in danger

None they would take to the boats again seeking other idiot governments too take them in