Keir Starmer

[Jackov Altraids]

The trouble with Nick Clegg was that he was DCs bitch ,he was too agreeable and nice
and thus the general public soon forgot about him ,the Liberal party and their policies.
The alliance of the Lib dems with the conservative party was their downfall .

Thanks for the great example of perpetuating the false perception. Classing Clegg as DC's bitch is to show a lack of comprehension of being the junior partner of a coalition of the Conservatives with 306 MP's and the Lib dem's with 57.
The lib dem's acted as the otherwise absent social consciousness of the Conservatives and we all benefited from that. The Conservatives benefited hugely as this is what made them electable in 2015.

The trouble with the Libs, it was always the party of the looney fringe, even if they had some good leaders from time to time , the party itself had no real desire for government. Along comes a certain Jeremy Corbyn and the looneys all jumped ship pronto, leaving the Libs with no voters

To consider someone with a different viewpoint to your own as a "looney", highlights your deficiency's rather than theirs and I think you confuse desire with expectation.

 

[lloyd]

Thanks for the great example of perpetuating the false perception. Classing Clegg as DC's bitch is to show a lack of comprehension of being the junior partner of a coalition of the Conservatives with 306 MP's and the Lib dem's with 57.
The lib dem's acted as the otherwise absent social consciousness of the Conservatives and we all benefited from that. The Conservatives benefited hugely as this is what made them electable in 2015.




To consider someone with a different viewpoint to your own as a "looney", highlights your deficiency's rather than theirs and I think you confuse desire with expectation.

Really, you think the conservatives have been touched with social consciousness
since the days of their alliance with the Lib Dem!
Short lived benefit as Conservative MPs and advisors
devalue lockdown rules that the ordinary general public have to adhere to.
I dont see how the Lib Dems could have faired any worse if they had chosen not to get in that political canoe with the Tories as they are now the forgotten party.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Really, you think the conservatives have been touched with social consciousness
since the days of their alliance with the Lib Dem!
Short lived benefit as Conservative MPs and advisors
devalue lockdown rules that the ordinary general public have to adhere to.
I dont see how the Lib Dems could have faired any worse if they had chosen not to get in that political canoe with the Tories as they are now the forgotten party.

I agree. The Conservatives have never really had a social consciousness but they looked like they did when the Lib dems provided it. As you rightly say, this was at a huge cost to themselves.

This brings me back to the original point that Rishi Sunak could suffer in the same way. Doing everything 'right' but being made the fallguy for the unavoidable inevitable consequences.
I'm delighted that we don't consider the fact that Rishi doesn't have an anglo saxon name and isn't 'white' will inhibit his career whereas a choice of white southern Englishman of Johnson and Starmer will be widely used by the SNP in the next election in a pointedly racist manner.

 

[lloyd]

I agree. The Conservatives have never really had a social consciousness but they looked like they did when the Lib dems provided it. As you rightly say, this was at a huge cost to themselves.

This brings me back to the original point that Rishi Sunak could suffer in the same way. Doing everything 'right' but being made the fallguy for the unavoidable inevitable consequences.
I'm delighted that we don't consider the fact that Rishi doesn't have an anglo saxon name and isn't 'white' will inhibit his career whereas a choice of white southern Englishman of Johnson and Starmer will be widely used by the SNP in the next election in a pointedly racist manner.

Too early to make calls on Rishi but he has got off to a good start,and the health
of the economy is still no 1 for most voters.
He's so far been honest with the general public which Is a nice change for any politician.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Too early to make calls on Rishi but he has got off to a good start,and the health
of the economy is still no 1 for most voters.
He's so far been honest with the general public which Is a nice change for any politician.

But he hasn't had to make any difficult decisions yet and he is part of the 55 Tufton St Mafia which has got to put a big question mark over him.

 

[lloyd]

But he hasn't had to make any difficult decisions yet and he is part of the 55 Tufton St Mafia which has got to put a big question mark over him.

Look ,surely they cant all be a shiver of sharks ?

 

[br jones]

" a new leader" same shite

 

[Ashtree]

Look, with the “Blonde”, at the very top of the political food chain right now, absolutely every other politician right down to town hall level, looks quite good! Starmer looks, acts and speaks utterly statesman like, compared to Blondie. Well to be fair to him, he does carry himself well in any case. Just that the Blondie show, does quite amplify Starmer’s already strong credentials.

 

[br jones]

Look, with the “Blonde”, at the very top of the political food chain right now, absolutely every other politician right down to town hall level, looks quite good! Starmer looks, acts and speaks utterly statesman like, compared to Blondie. Well to be fair to him, he does carry himself well in any case. Just that the Blondie show, does quite amplify Starmer’s already strong credentials.

Starmer a chinless wonder ,with no ideas of his own

 

[holywell farmer]

" a new leader" same shite

Starmer and labour in 2024 will ride in on a white horse promising change and better times and after 3 years people get fed up of him and his government sadly.

 

[Danllan]

Starmer a chinless wonder ,with no ideas of his own

He has loads of ideas, but they're all really crap, so he isn't allowed to raise them publicly. Instead, the Labour bigwigs make him speak about those they have vetted and approve... (and the truly horrifying thing is, I'm not joking, it's an open secret that the NEC is running things with him as proxy, this is why Momentum is not kicking up a hell of a stink)

 

[Ashtree]

He has loads of ideas, but they're all really crap, so he isn't allowed to raise them publicly. Instead, the Labour bigwigs make him speak about those they have vetted and approve... (and the truly horrifying thing is, I'm not joking, it's an open secret that the NEC is running things with him as proxy, this is why Momentum is not kicking up a hell of a stink)

What an utter infantile, clownish, irrational summary. Are you sure everything is ok with you these days? Over worked perhaps?
I thought this article, rather downplayed if anything, the chasm of depth, intellect, calmness and gravitas between Starmer and Boris.

Starmer treats Johnson as a toddler but he has regressed to being a baby | John Crace

Watching this sharp-focused Starmer address, there must be Tory MPs wishing he was in charge

www.theguardian.com

 

[turbo]

What an utter infantile, clownish, irrational summary. Are you sure everything is ok with you these days? Over worked perhaps?
I thought this article, rather downplayed if anything, the chasm of depth, intellect, calmness and gravitas between Starmer and Boris.

Starmer treats Johnson as a toddler but he has regressed to being a baby | John Crace

Watching this sharp-focused Starmer address, there must be Tory MPs wishing he was in charge

www.theguardian.com

So sharp he cannot take the cap off his pen when pretending to write for the camera!

 

[robs1]

So sharp he cannot take the cap off his pen when pretending to write for the camera!

Funny how some of the policies he supported at the election he now says werent the right ones.

 

[robs1]

Look, with the “Blonde”, at the very top of the political food chain right now, absolutely every other politician right down to town hall level, looks quite good! Starmer looks, acts and speaks utterly statesman like, compared to Blondie. Well to be fair to him, he does carry himself well in any case. Just that the Blondie show, does quite amplify Starmer’s already strong credentials.

Just had a look back through this thread, started a year ago, a few of starmers fan boys must feel pretty let down now

 

[turbo]

Just had a look back through this thread, started a year ago, a few of starmers fan boys must feel pretty let down now

Not ashy he’s always backs a loser

 

[br jones]

Just had a look back through this thread, started a year ago, a few of starmers fan boys must feel pretty let down now

once a knob always...

 

[br jones]

To be frank, the flustering, blustering, fist pumping PM, is a dream come through for Starmer. All the better as the government has such a huge majority.

Starmer just needs to probe and jab, whilst Boris fumbles through the two biggest challenges and threats to Britain since Suez (another Tory shitfest).

A good competent PM, with an experience cabinet, and a united party, would probably come out with near fatal political injuries from such a challenge. What hope Boris?

Best for Starmer to leave Boris to his inevitable political fate. Play statesmanlike in the interests of Britain, whilst doing enough to keep Boris sweating. Just keep the PMQ show, like a weekly political root canal session for him.

Time and Boris bluster will do the rest.

doing well isnt he ashy

 

[JCfarmer]

In my honest opinion he's a fuuckin left wing wankker loser and away with the fairies!

 

[Danllan]

doing well isnt he ashy

I think, if you look at what is on offer in the ROI - all total sell-outs and pets of Brussels / Berlin - it is no surprise that he looks on Sir Keir as something special... Of course with his odd sexual fantasies about our lot - listed elsewhere on TFF - there is a fair chance that he is really 'rather keen' on some of his own lovelies in Dublin...


(not saying he's a mountain allotmenteer, but it's all there...)