Frodo
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- Scotland (east)
Not sure about 12 months, but it certainly is a volatile industry.
Layers or broilers
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Bossfarmer
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- between Perth and Inverness
why do u say that?
Life cycle of most agri produce, price to farmer increases, farmer puts up more sheds, production outstrips demand, farmer quits or goes bust, demand outstrips production, price to farmer increases and away we go again.
Planning/environment is the one thing that that might throw a spanner in the works from now on.
Daniel
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- Mildenhall, Suffolk
There’s nothing much coming through in the way of new planning permissions granted I don’t think at the moment? Quite a few existing planning permissions being built.
The interesting thing will be to see how many people have the stomach to gamble on getting expensive planning through and paying the cost of a new build, only to find they time the arrival of their first pullers with the market crashing!
Not much if any new planning in NI either, a few broiler folk converting their units to eggs. Not sure I'd want to spend the money now as we could be at the peak of the cycle.
Our packer is having a producer meeting next week so we'll hear what he thinks about it.
Thank you so much for such a lovely article with informative content. Hope to see more of a similar Forum.
We went into broiler coming up 10 years, we are please we went into it, there is big variation of performance we find, there can be a lot of money between the top performers and poorer performers, if a small amount of maintenance is done the equipment in the broiler sheds should last on for 20 years in my opinion, there a lot more layer farmers in our area than broiler and from speaking to them the egg market seems more volatile than the broilers, last year we i went to the NFU poultry conference and the egg farmers were complaining they were loosing money big time, at the time the broiler job wasn't great mainly to do with high input but it was still okay, this year the egg job seems to flying, but the broiler is quite a bit better due to margins lifting slightly and lower input costs.
Build cost for both broiler and eggs have risen massively in the last few years, broiler sheds probably more so and most new builds now have to have scrubbers to pass emissions once you go past 40K bird numbers, the broiler industry is changing quite dramatically at the moment with more and more supermarkets opting for birds the have been grown in lower stocked sheds, which in the future is going to mean there is going to less output and will probably mean we will need more floorspace, if i was advising anyone to get into poultry at the moment i would speak to a well established planning consultant that will tell you what is possible in your area, some companies will put planning in for you and just take your money, others will say if they think you have a chance and might be able to give you a rough cost so you don't get a big shock
Build cost for both broiler and eggs have risen massively in the last few years, broiler sheds probably more so and most new builds now have to have scrubbers to pass emissions once you go past 40K bird numbers, the broiler industry is changing quite dramatically at the moment with more and more supermarkets opting for birds the have been grown in lower stocked sheds, which in the future is going to mean there is going to less output and will probably mean we will need more floorspace, if i was advising anyone to get into poultry at the moment i would speak to a well established planning consultant that will tell you what is possible in your area, some companies will put planning in for you and just take your money, others will say if they think you have a chance and might be able to give you a rough cost so you don't get a big shock
There's a lot of moy park broiler and layer houses going into table egg production ,, a whole lot more than you'd think,
Daniel
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- Mildenhall, Suffolk
They'd have to have the range area available for free range, or are they barn eggs?
Both, and pullet rearing, moy park starting to come under serious pressure,, a lot of free range broilers converting to layers
That's the problem..............
Will Moy park up their game to try and stop people leaving?
Our man reckons free range good for another 6 months then unsure about things. Supermarkets now willing to take barn eggs, he says they aren't happy about being held to ransom by free range and will be unlikely to be caught short again.
Daniel
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- Mildenhall, Suffolk
They were hardly held to ransom. They paid way below the cost of production for a couple of years and ended up with a shortage, it’s totally their own fault!
Yeah, a shortage caused by them squeezing so hard the supply base decided to stop supplying.
I've heard murmors about the broiler industry moving to 30kg/M in the not too distant. Anyone else heard this? If there's any basis to it, what's that going to do to the job? And where's the floorpsace going to come from?
I've heard murmors about the broiler industry moving to 30kg/M in the not too distant. Anyone else heard this? If there's any basis to it, what's that going to do to the job? And where's the floorpsace going to come from?
farmerian
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- Northern Ireland
Sainsburys, morrisons, coop, marks and spencers, waitrose and lidl are either already on 30kg or announced they're moving too it, you get paid the same ppsqm wether you're growing 30 or 38kg, we grew one crop at 30kg and it is so much better than 38 and should be the standard
That has to depend on the contract? Where you're paying for your own gas and bedding, you're waving goodbye to a lot of efficiency?
If on a flat rent, FBT or whatever, then the same pay for having everything under so much pressure must be an absolute dream.
It'll be nice if Tesco, Aldi, and the rest follow suit.
If on a flat rent, FBT or whatever, then the same pay for having everything under so much pressure must be an absolute dream.
It'll be nice if Tesco, Aldi, and the rest follow suit.
We are a contract farm. At the moment 30kg gets paid 5 pence a kg more and is supposed to work out at the same ppsqm. Litter is a lot better on 30kg so minimal top up bales needed and lower hock and podo scores which we can get up to 2p a kg bonus for. Management is so much easier walking around the sheds, minimal bedding up, less dead to pick up
