New claas arion thoughts

[James]

Any one remapped there Arion yet , engines well capable, tractor could do with livening up. Any potential gear box trouble.

Likely depends which model and how daft you go as to whether you'll have trouble

 

[Wreckit Ralf]

Watched the recent Grassmen video and the man they were filming runs a full Claas fleet. During the video they talk about the Arion 800 and the Arion 600 and mentions the engines in both (800 being FPT and 600 being Deere) but they said they've heard that Claas will be moving away from the Deere engine in the 600. Is there truth in that? It's been rumoured for years that they'll go full FPT or even Perkins.
Will it finally be happening?

 

[vantage]

Watched the recent Grassmen video and the man they were filming runs a full Claas fleet. During the video they talk about the Arion 800 and the Arion 600 and mentions the engines in both (800 being FPT and 600 being Deere) but they said they've heard that Claas will be moving away from the Deere engine in the 600. Is there truth in that? It's been rumoured for years that they'll go full FPT or even Perkins.
Will it finally be happening?

Deutz, out of the frying pan, into the fire!

 

[Wellytrack]

Be very surprised if Perkins tbh. FPT be much more logical…

 

[daveydiesel1]

Be very surprised if Perkins tbh. FPT be much more logical…

Why is it no1 seems to like perkins engines? Wev had a heap of masseys with them over the years with very little trouble and they all did high hours before they were sold. Just cant see what the problem is

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Why is it no1 seems to like perkins engines? Wev had a heap of masseys with them over the years with very little trouble and they all did high hours before they were sold. Just cant see what the problem is

Don't think it's meant that there's any dislike to the Perkins, just more the fact the 400 and 800 both run FPT so no doubt they have a well developed relationship with them so would make sense to stick with them if they are looking to move away from DPS.

The Perkins in our digger is a lovely motor.

 

[Finn farmer]

Why is it no1 seems to like perkins engines? Wev had a heap of masseys with them over the years with very little trouble and they all did high hours before they were sold. Just cant see what the problem is

My personal gripe with Perkins has to do with its performance (or lack of) in cold climate. Won't start, leaks oil and older one (on MF390) needed two rebuilds in 6 years. Mediocre engine imo.

 

[daveydiesel1]

My personal gripe with Perkins has to do with its performance (or lack of) in cold climate. Won't start, leaks oil and older one (on MF390) needed two rebuilds in 6 years. Mediocre engine imo.

The parts for a perkins is a fraction of the cost of most other brands though, even filters are dirt cheap. The 390 is a hard starter in cold conditions, but wev 2 4370s and they are easy starters and the iirc the only thing iv needed on the 1 with over 15000 hours is a water pump and injector pump overhaul and couple of lift pumps, the rest is untouched and still starts first turn. Serviced every 250 hours with shell oil mabe helps

 

[daveydiesel1]

Don't think it's meant that there's any dislike to the Perkins, just more the fact the 400 and 800 both run FPT so no doubt they have a well developed relationship with them so would make sense to stick with them if they are looking to move away from DPS.

The Perkins in our digger is a lovely motor.

No im not saying that it wouldnt make sence to stick with fpt. But it just seems manufacturers all moved away from perkins but i never understood why unless it came down to cost which would be unlikely given parts prices for perkins is cheaper than say a sisu or deutz

 

[Wellytrack]

Why is it no1 seems to like perkins engines? Wev had a heap of masseys with them over the years with very little trouble and they all did high hours before they were sold. Just cant see what the problem is

Not T3’s I’d reckon.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Not T3’s I’d reckon.

No newest is tier 2 5465

 

[Lincsman]

No im not saying that it wouldnt make sence to stick with fpt. But it just seems manufacturers all moved away from perkins but i never understood why unless it came down to cost which would be unlikely given parts prices for perkins is cheaper than say a sisu or deutz

Perkins were bought by Caterpillar, and that was the start of many tractor makers dropping them.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Perkins were bought by Caterpillar, and that was the start of many tractor makers dropping them.

But why?

 

[Lakesdigger]

No im not saying that it wouldnt make sence to stick with fpt. But it just seems manufacturers all moved away from perkins but i never understood why unless it came down to cost which would be unlikely given parts prices for perkins is cheaper than say a sisu or deutz

Manufacturers don't buy parts though that's for the end user and as a full engine they may have been dearer. Jcb starting to make their own engines didn't do perkins many favours. It would take a lot of income from them right when r+d needed a big budget to keep up with emissions regs changes.

 

[tr250]

Not T3’s I’d reckon.

We’ve got 2 tractors with Perkins tier 3 ones done 6000hrs others done 11700hrs with no trouble

 

[Wellytrack]

We’ve got 2 tractors with Perkins tier 3 ones done 6000hrs others done 11700hrs with no trouble

Your lucky haven’t changed injectors yet. That’s best part of 2k now.

 

[Lincsman]

But why?

Digger firm JCB not wanting to beholden to Caterpillar digger firm.