This thread seems to have dissolved into an argument over hard brexit and remainers, which is sad.
It doesn’t matter what we think, we as a country voted to leave, the govermant voted nearly unanimously to activate artical 50.
The govermant also voted not to except the deal on the table from the EU.
Now all things said, as the govermant is doing what the country asked them to do. And the deal didn’t get passed because it was in all intents and purposes a trap that will basicly not actualy give the uk brexit, in real terms.
What do you expect any govermant in charge to do.
Parliament as a whole voted to leave the EU by activating artical 50, so now it has to be seen through, but we have the EU being told to stone wall us by our own govermants parties in the EU parliament and have remainers angling to stop brexit altogether, I just don’t see how they feel justified to do so. I actualy think that if the govermant fails to deliver brexit that we will see a combination of things the next election will be intresting for sure, I don’t think Labour or the conservatives, will get majorities but nether will anyone else.
Everything posted on this thread has been speculation, as no one knows if the EU will get back to the negociating table or not, I will say If I was them watching the tv I wouldn’t because the reminders are painting pictures, of worst case scenarios, and of blocking no deal, etc etc.
We as a country are our own worst enemy, we give away any negotiating power we may have to the EU.
I did notice no one responded to my question would we have had a better deal if we had presented the EU with a united front, and just voted on agreements in parliaments and kept the grumbling behind closed doors, And negotiated behind closed doors for a balance in brexit, that they all could agree to, but did deliver the brexit that they all agreed to deliver.
My point is we should never have got to this point, after the first vote on the deal was made that rejected it, the parliament as a whole should have demanded the EU Resume negotiation with the uk. To find one that they could agree to. This should never have been about avoiding Brexit, but about getting a deal. So no deal was never a problem we had to deal with.
As for Norway, I think it’s an option, because they do have control all be it via a back door.
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/immigration-from-europe/
So in my eyes there are ways to reduce immigration, if the EU let’s us apply conditions similar and possible more stringent to Norway, as it looks like they set conditions them selves while have an open and free movement policy.
At no point was the uk going to completely block immigration, I think Australia was banded about as a poosble system, while that may not be fully possible I would like to see how far the Norway system could have been manipulated to be like The Australian system.
As for lorries at ports and crossings, as far as I can tell it only Technically needs to happen if we set tariffs that are different to the EU, if we fully Aligned our tariffs and trade with the Eu’s and technically don’t change anything about trade that the EU didn’t like, the lorries could keep moving just as they are. Even under no deal, because no deal doesn’t mean no deal, it means the emergency deal is activated which by the way is already in place for a no deal Brexit. While the temporary emergancy deal is not perfect, that can also be added too if there is time.
I actualy think the fact the EU extended the first time, tells us they would rather extend than fall into no deal result, is telling. It’s not a garentee but it’s not without hope.
What actualy Surprises me is, the remainers didn’t vote for the deal we have now if they had we would be now under it and not facing a no deal Brexit, it just goes to show that they don’t want to compromise they want to remain full stop. They are just as guilty of not bending as they accuse the brexiters.
Brexit has been more about politics that delivering our exit from the EU, and it shows, the EU can plainly see it.
It doesn’t matter what we think, we as a country voted to leave, the govermant voted nearly unanimously to activate artical 50.
The govermant also voted not to except the deal on the table from the EU.
Now all things said, as the govermant is doing what the country asked them to do. And the deal didn’t get passed because it was in all intents and purposes a trap that will basicly not actualy give the uk brexit, in real terms.
What do you expect any govermant in charge to do.
Parliament as a whole voted to leave the EU by activating artical 50, so now it has to be seen through, but we have the EU being told to stone wall us by our own govermants parties in the EU parliament and have remainers angling to stop brexit altogether, I just don’t see how they feel justified to do so. I actualy think that if the govermant fails to deliver brexit that we will see a combination of things the next election will be intresting for sure, I don’t think Labour or the conservatives, will get majorities but nether will anyone else.
Everything posted on this thread has been speculation, as no one knows if the EU will get back to the negociating table or not, I will say If I was them watching the tv I wouldn’t because the reminders are painting pictures, of worst case scenarios, and of blocking no deal, etc etc.
We as a country are our own worst enemy, we give away any negotiating power we may have to the EU.
I did notice no one responded to my question would we have had a better deal if we had presented the EU with a united front, and just voted on agreements in parliaments and kept the grumbling behind closed doors, And negotiated behind closed doors for a balance in brexit, that they all could agree to, but did deliver the brexit that they all agreed to deliver.
My point is we should never have got to this point, after the first vote on the deal was made that rejected it, the parliament as a whole should have demanded the EU Resume negotiation with the uk. To find one that they could agree to. This should never have been about avoiding Brexit, but about getting a deal. So no deal was never a problem we had to deal with.
As for Norway, I think it’s an option, because they do have control all be it via a back door.
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/immigration-from-europe/
So in my eyes there are ways to reduce immigration, if the EU let’s us apply conditions similar and possible more stringent to Norway, as it looks like they set conditions them selves while have an open and free movement policy.
At no point was the uk going to completely block immigration, I think Australia was banded about as a poosble system, while that may not be fully possible I would like to see how far the Norway system could have been manipulated to be like The Australian system.
As for lorries at ports and crossings, as far as I can tell it only Technically needs to happen if we set tariffs that are different to the EU, if we fully Aligned our tariffs and trade with the Eu’s and technically don’t change anything about trade that the EU didn’t like, the lorries could keep moving just as they are. Even under no deal, because no deal doesn’t mean no deal, it means the emergency deal is activated which by the way is already in place for a no deal Brexit. While the temporary emergancy deal is not perfect, that can also be added too if there is time.
I actualy think the fact the EU extended the first time, tells us they would rather extend than fall into no deal result, is telling. It’s not a garentee but it’s not without hope.
What actualy Surprises me is, the remainers didn’t vote for the deal we have now if they had we would be now under it and not facing a no deal Brexit, it just goes to show that they don’t want to compromise they want to remain full stop. They are just as guilty of not bending as they accuse the brexiters.
Brexit has been more about politics that delivering our exit from the EU, and it shows, the EU can plainly see it.
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