Pedigree recording with multiple sires

[Dan Powell]

How do other people record pedigree information when running more than one bull with a group of cows? Do you guess the sire or DNA test or what?

I'm not selling breeding stock at the moment, but want to maintain pedigree status so I can do in the future.

 

[Woolless]

Unless they're different breeds, I don't think there's any alternative to DNA test if you want accuracy and the bulls are run together.

 

[sheepwise]

Just take a guess and call them Jaegerbomb.

 

[M-J-G]

Just take a guess and call them Jaegerbomb.

Like with Blackies

 

[Matt]

Unless you got a known difference between them eg one's calves will be polled and other will be horned than only way is dna testing

 

[Woolless]

Like with Blackies

If they're good, they're off the 50,000gns such and such. If they're crap, they're off the chaser!

 

[puppet]

The clue is in the word pedigree. Is accurate parenthood too much to ask if expecting big money?

 

[Dan Powell]

Unless they're different breeds, I don't think there's any alternative to DNA test if you want accuracy and the bulls are run together.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Why do you not run the groups separately? Leave one bull in for 25 to 30 days and then change over.
Seems to work very well. It won't be perfect but more accurate than many methods.

 

[Dan Powell]

Why do you not run the groups separately? Leave one bull in for 25 to 30 days and then change over.
Seems to work very well. It won't be perfect but more accurate than many methods.

Yes not a bad option. Trying to run as few groups as possible due to rotational grazing, so didn't really want lots of different bulling groups.

 

[Matt]

Yes not a bad option. Trying to run as few groups as possible due to rotational grazing, so didn't really want lots of different bulling groups.

we have 4 groups with 75 females, mainly for knowing what goes to what and also if they are related keeping them apart.

 

[Big Ambitions]

What about those moocall things? They’d be able to detect which bull mated which cow I would think?

 

[Woolless]

What about those moocall things? They’d be able to detect which bull mated which cow I would think?

What about if they had a gangbang?

 

[Big Ambitions]

What about if they had a gangbang?

I’m assuming (may be wrong) that you could DNA test for that animal alone? Don’t know how it works, ie if you’d have to get the whole herd done, costings etc.

 

[matthew]

Many pedigree societies now insist (quite rightly) on DNA proof of parentage before issuing a certificate. So it may not be your choice, depending on the breed of course.

 

[Woolless]

I’m assuming (may be wrong) that you could DNA test for that animal alone? Don’t know how it works, ie if you’d have to get the whole herd done, costings etc.

I think if you tested the bulls plus any calves you weren't sure about it would be fine. Although, as above, pedigree registration may involve it being more extensive.

 

[Hesstondriver]

Just match the best looking calf to the best pedigree. Win win

 

[puppet]

Run them in separate groups, make a note what is bulling to which bull each day, change bulls after 20 days and record the date to avoid empties and keep noting any that come in heat again.
We do most of that and are not pedigree herd

 

[ShooTa]

could you raddle - like with rams? then spot the raddle colour each day

 

[Matt]

maybe you could just Dna any animals you wish to keep/sell for breeding.
how big a group of females are you looking at running?
As others have said maybe work a bull then rest him whilst other works for a 2 - 3 weeks.