poppies in winter linseed

[Flat 10]

What is the best approach? Loads of them. Field has had Avadex and it looks to have slightly yellowed them? Will the Maya, Eagle mix do them in the spring? I'm worried they will get quite big....... Not on label for either of them but is on label for Ally..............
Any thoughts @They see me rolling and others?
TIA

 

[spin cycle]

ally should nuke poppies surely

 

[Hindsight]

ally should nuke poppies surely

Poppies and chickweed resisting key herbicides - Farmers Weekly

15 March 2002 Poppies and chickweed resisting key herbicidesBy Andrew BlakePOPPIES resistant to the widely used sulfonylurea group of herbicides have been

www.fwi.co.uk

Unless resistant to SU's! Will find out in the spring !!! MCPA on winter linseed - no idea as not grown before. But I have same issue in a field - they came through Avadex and Callisto. Hey ho

 

[Flat 10]

Poppies and chickweed resisting key herbicides - Farmers Weekly

15 March 2002 Poppies and chickweed resisting key herbicidesBy Andrew BlakePOPPIES resistant to the widely used sulfonylurea group of herbicides have been

www.fwi.co.uk

Unless resistant to SU's! Will find out in the spring !!! MCPA on winter linseed - no idea as not grown before. But I have same issue in a field - they came through Avadex and Callisto. Hey ho

MCPA sadly no longer on label or eamu?

 

[They see me rolling]

MCPA and Chekker lost their EAMUs sadly, through lack of residue data.
Best bet for Poppies in spring is Ally/Jubilee.

 

[Flat 10]

MCPA and Chekker lost their EAMUs sadly, through lack of residue data.
Best bet is Poppies in spring for Ally/Jubilee.

Thank you.

 

[Brisel]

MCPA and Chekker lost their EAMUs sadly, through lack of residue data.
Best bet for Poppies in spring is Ally/Jubilee.

Doesn't that stunt the crop & reduce yield? You've got to weigh up the downsides of weed competition too I suppose. Is there a way of mitigating the crop effect of metsulfuron? Cool weather, high water volume, not after a windy spell for leaf wax etc?

 

[Hindsight]

MCPA sadly no longer on label or eamu?

I know of some black fen soil, blowing black, where Metsulfuron does nothing on Poppies In cereals use Florasulam and MCPA and now since its introduction Arylex.

 

[Flat 10]

Doesn't that stunt the crop & reduce yield? You've got to weigh up the downsides of weed competition too I suppose. Is there a way of mitigating the crop effect of metsulfuron? Cool weather, high water volume, not after a windy spell for leaf wax etc?

I’ve not seen massive crop effects myself. They recommend zinc as a crop safener but the only time I’ve used it I thought it safened the ally on the weeds. Poppiesare not only competitive but tend to get in the sample

 

[They see me rolling]

Doesn't that stunt the crop & reduce yield? You've got to weigh up the downsides of weed competition too I suppose. Is there a way of mitigating the crop effect of metsulfuron? Cool weather, high water volume, not after a windy spell for leaf wax etc?

Depends when you apply it, I haven't seen many cases of bad damage, yes it can slow growth, but on upside might save you on a PGR. Yes suggest adding Zinc. Don't apply when its cold or drought -same rules as most herbicides really.

MCPA was only safe at really low doses, it was a herbicide you apply and then shut the gate. . Now MCPA is only approved on flax in France, they don't need residues as it doesn't enter the food chain. To give you an idea, when they harvest the flax and pull it out into straight fibers, they can tell where MCPA was used as there is a kink in the fibers. Chekker was excellent.

The only hope i can offer is herbicide screening is on-going of existing chemistry. The problems is for EAMUs on linseed there must be residue data on an oilseed crop pesticide label, otherwise they will not grant an EAMU. This narrows down somewhat the list of potential herbicides. I have tried Arylex and it killed linseed, but will keep looking.

 

[Hindsight]

I’ve not seen massive crop effects myself. They recommend zinc as a crop safener but the only time I’ve used it I thought it safened the ally on the weeds. Poppiesare not only competitive but tend to get in the sample ☹

Back in the day to enhance metsulfuron we added non ionic wetter. Not sure how that would sit with crop damage.

MCPA - I have used it as an emergency against Fat hen late - crop in flower, case of 'needs must'. Kinked the flowering stems but crop carried on an went to harvest. Yielded Ok, but of course no large untreated area as comparator for a yield effect.

Chekker was ideal - though potentially weak on Fat Hen - some MCPA or bromoxynil to enhance was I always thought 'prudent' when using it. Shame lost.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

I assume the contract specifies a zero tolerance for poppy seeds for NOPS certified linseed?

 

[Flat 10]

I assume the contract specifies a zero tolerance for poppy seeds for NOPS certified linseed?

Nops? For competition equine use?

 

[richard hammond]

Doesn't that stunt the crop & reduce yield? You've got to weigh up the downsides of weed competition too I suppose. Is there a way of mitigating the crop effect of metsulfuron? Cool weather, high water volume, not after a windy spell for leaf wax etc?

That all depends on what rate of use is advised!, and the conditions at the time of use,

 

[DrWazzock]

Probably fly off the shelves in holland and barret if folk knew there were poppy seeds in amongst them. Are we trying to solve a problem that isn't a problem, like holes in beans?

 

[Flat 10]

Probably fly off the shelves in holland and barret if folk knew there were poppy seeds in amongst them. Are we trying to solve a problem that isn't a problem, like holes in beans?

No. Because I have too many poppies growing in my linseed.

 

[DrWazzock]

Go through with a tined weeder The linseed will dodge the tines. The big flat poppy plants will get ripped out. Do it twice. Fiddle with tine angle to differentiate.

 

[Flat 10]

That’s what I’ll probably be forced to do by the government in the next few years.

 

[They see me rolling]

On the contract side, for interest, I am not aware of any contracts specifying tolerances to poppies – no other industry other than equine has concerns. Any linseed destined for equine customers will be NOPS tested prior to delivery….at their cost.