Question for non Eu / non Uk farmers. ( Regarding Government Subsidies / Payments to farmers)

[Pilatus]

Where ever you farm in the world outside of the European Union and outside of the United Kingdom ,I would be interested to know if as a farmer you receive any government payments either directly or indirectly, to help your business survive, in what ever form they take,( crop/livestock production or environmental etc,etc payments.

 

[stewart]

Where ever you farm in the world outside of the European Union and outside of the United Kingdom ,I would be interested to know if as a farmer you receive any government payments either directly or indirectly, to help your business survive, in what ever form they take,( crop/livestock production or environmental etc,etc payments.

No subsidies received at all for our business, there are some environmental payments available although I do not know what they are as I have never bothered looking at them.

Interesting question, why do you ask?

 

[Farmer Roy]

No . . .

 

[Bald Rick]

Where ever you farm in the world outside of the European Union and outside of the United Kingdom ,I would be interested to know if as a farmer you receive any government payments either directly or indirectly, to help your business survive, in what ever form they take,( crop/livestock production or environmental etc,etc payments.

Here:

Agricultural subsidies: Everyone's doing it | Hinrich Foundation

An explainer of agricultural subsidies around the world, why they were implemented and what issues have risen.

www.hinrichfoundation.com

 

[Bald Rick]

... whilst in Australia

 

[Pilatus]

No subsidies received at all for our business, there are some environmental payments available although I do not know what they are as I have never bothered looking at them.

Interesting question, why do you ask?

I ask only out of interest as a semi retired ex tenant farmer in the Uk..
I can understand why Uk agriculture was subsided after the 2nd world war to rapidly increase food production in those days of desperate need. But in all honesty I have never really understood why they weren’t phased out say through the 1960’s when Uk food production was well up compared to immediately after the war.
I admit I was always pleased to get any subsidies in any form, but I have always thought that as a tenant farmer that subsidies inflated rents.
Lastly why has the Uk/ eu hung on to such a highly subsidised agricultural industry for so long compared to New Zealand. I know that Eu/ Uk subsidies/ rural payments are going to be drastically cut back in the coming years.

 

[Pilatus]

Here:

Agricultural subsidies: Everyone's doing it | Hinrich Foundation

An explainer of agricultural subsidies around the world, why they were implemented and what issues have risen.

www.hinrichfoundation.com

Many Thanks for the above,
I have quickly read through it and it is very interesting, eye opening. Nothing in life is quite what one thinks
From the report it does seem that those of you who farm in Australia and New Zealand have a rough deal compared to the rest of the world farmers,although you can’t do anything about it what do you think of that situation??

 

[Blaithin]

Where ever you farm in the world outside of the European Union and outside of the United Kingdom ,I would be interested to know if as a farmer you receive any government payments either directly or indirectly, to help your business survive, in what ever form they take,( crop/livestock production or environmental etc,etc payments.

I don’t. Not really anything here for beef.

There are subsidies for other parts of the industry though.

Certain areas/programs can get compensated for environmental services, which beef producers can more easily take advantage of when available.

 

[Pilatus]

I don’t. Not really anything here for beef.

There are subsidies for other parts of the industry though.

Certain areas/programs can get compensated for environmental services, which beef producers can more easily take advantage of when available.

I see in the article that @Bald Rick mentioned, Canadian “dairy farmers” subsidies were mentioned, but not much else about Canada but a lot more about the US. @Roger Perry may wish to comment.

 

[Blaithin]

I see in the article that @Bald Rick mentioned, Canadian “dairy farmers” subsidies were mentioned, but not much else about Canada but a lot more about the US. @Roger Perry may wish to comment.

Dairy is probably the most. I believe chicken and pigs as well. Crop is via insurance.

 

[stewart]

Many Thanks for the above,
I have quickly read through it and it is very interesting, eye opening. Nothing in life is quite what one thinks
From the report it does seem that those of you who farm in Australia and New Zealand have a rough deal compared to the rest of the world farmers,although you can’t do anything about it what do you think of that situation??

It was an interesting article, briefly reading through it, it looks like most of the world protects their farmers via subsidies so that they can compete with the rest of the worlds farmers who are subsidised! An over simplification I know, as their are other reasons for subsidisation, but how would the worlds farmers go on if no one was subsidised? Personally I think most would do ok.
From a New Zealand perspective I do not know any farmers here who would want a return to subsidies, it's interesting that you you think the Antipodes have a rough deal, I don't think we do, we manage just fine without any subsidies, as an agricultural based economy with a relatively small population, subsidies were unsustainable, they had to go.
Land is around the same price as the UK, the milk price is around the same price as the UK, not sure on beef and sheep, others will be more qualified to comment. New Zealand has a very vibrant primary sector, from dairy and meat through to fruit, wine, timber etc etc. it drives the economy, some of that is down to the advantages NZ has, climate being one of them, but as a couple of small islands at the bottom of the South Pacific we are a long way from the major markets, The big advantage NZ has is in marketing, the Country markets itself well, this results in NZ produce receiving a premium in the world markets.
You asked what we think of the situation even though we cannot do anything about it, personally I wouldn't change it, it would help if the rest of the world got rid of subsidies or at least removed tariffs, that's a long way off although we are slowly getting there.

 

[Pilatus]

It was an interesting article, briefly reading through it, it looks like most of the world protects their farmers via subsidies so that they can compete with the rest of the worlds farmers who are subsidised! An over simplification I know, as their are other reasons for subsidisation, but how would the worlds farmers go on if no one was subsidised? Personally I think most would do ok.
From a New Zealand perspective I do not know any farmers here who would want a return to subsidies, it's interesting that you you think the Antipodes have a rough deal, I don't think we do, we manage just fine without any subsidies, as an agricultural based economy with a relatively small population, subsidies were unsustainable, they had to go.
Land is around the same price as the UK, the milk price is around the same price as the UK, not sure on beef and sheep, others will be more qualified to comment. New Zealand has a very vibrant primary sector, from dairy and meat through to fruit, wine, timber etc etc. it drives the economy, some of that is down to the advantages NZ has, climate being one of them, but as a couple of small islands at the bottom of the South Pacific we are a long way from the major markets, The big advantage NZ has is in marketing, the Country markets itself well, this results in NZ produce receiving a premium in the world markets.
You asked what we think of the situation even though we cannot do anything about it, personally I wouldn't change it, it would help if the rest of the world got rid of subsidies or at least removed tariffs, that's a long way off although we are slowly getting there.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

I don’t. Not really anything here for beef.

There are subsidies for other parts of the industry though.

Certain areas/programs can get compensated for environmental services, which beef producers can more easily take advantage of when available.

While not a true subsidy, but it could be debated that supply management in Canada is form of subsidy indirectly.

 

[stewart]

While not a true subsidy, but it could be debated that supply management in Canada is form of subsidy indirectly.

It is certainly protective.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

It was an interesting article, briefly reading through it, it looks like most of the world protects their farmers via subsidies so that they can compete with the rest of the worlds farmers who are subsidised! An over simplification I know, as their are other reasons for subsidisation, but how would the worlds farmers go on if no one was subsidised? Personally I think most would do ok.
From a New Zealand perspective I do not know any farmers here who would want a return to subsidies, it's interesting that you you think the Antipodes have a rough deal, I don't think we do, we manage just fine without any subsidies, as an agricultural based economy with a relatively small population, subsidies were unsustainable, they had to go.
Land is around the same price as the UK, the milk price is around the same price as the UK, not sure on beef and sheep, others will be more qualified to comment. New Zealand has a very vibrant primary sector, from dairy and meat through to fruit, wine, timber etc etc. it drives the economy, some of that is down to the advantages NZ has, climate being one of them, but as a couple of small islands at the bottom of the South Pacific we are a long way from the major markets, The big advantage NZ has is in marketing, the Country markets itself well, this results in NZ produce receiving a premium in the world markets.
You asked what we think of the situation even though we cannot do anything about it, personally I wouldn't change it, it would help if the rest of the world got rid of subsidies or at least removed tariffs, that's a long way off although we are slowly getting there.

Given the Clark/Labour government was at the forefront of deregulation and tariff removal in order to set a precedent for the world to follow and also stating that agriculture was a "sunset industry" especially dairy, it's worthy to note that 15-25 years later they were wrong on both .

 

[stewart]

Given the Clark/Labour government was at the forefront of deregulation and tariff removal in order to set a precedent for the world to follow and also stating that agriculture was a "sunset industry" especially dairy, it's worthy to note that 15-25 years later they were wrong on both .

The current government is doing its best to make it difficult for livestock farmers.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

It is certainly protective.

Actually understandably protective, just don't mention butter...

I just love how he got "allegedly" into the sentence.

 

[stewart]

Actually understandably protective,

Is it? Or should they just market better?
With having the USA on their border it’s probably the former.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

The current government is doing its best to make it difficult for livestock farmers.

It woulď be foolish for any government here to undermine the importance of agriculture, horticulture and viticulture to the economy in the foreseeable future, without it our country is doomed.
You just can't have NZ lamb without a good quality Central Otago pinot.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Is it? Or should they just market better?
With having the USA on their border it’s probably the former.

With dairy they do a fairly good job especially BC Milk, cost of production in Canada is higher and the lack of economies of scale compared to the US , hence puts them at a disadvantage.