Removing paths added on ramblers ‘don’t lose your way’ maps

[Grass And Grain]

@Drillman
One near you, I think it goes across top end of one of your dales.

 

[Drillman]

@Drillman
One near you, I think it goes across top end of one of your dales.

Yes the under agent for the estate and myself had a meeting about it with local footpath man a couple years back after footpath lot sent me a snotty letter about access been blocked.

 

[Forkdriver]

Thank you for posting the link. We bought our place about 18 months ago, without any PROW over it. We are down a drive of half a mile. The plans show an old track going down to the next farm, but no further. We understand that they were at one time all part of the same estate now broken up. The other farm gets out over another track, not past us.
The map now shows this route, but without a way out so it's a dead end, albeit about another half mile further on over our neighbours land, which used to be part of our farm, sold off a couple of years ago.The track does not currently exist, but would be a real imposition if it were opened up to public access.
I don't know if this would be for just a footpath or perish the thought a Byway open to all traffic.
More stress and hassle that we don't need, but we will have to try and fight it.
On some land l managed previously we had a similar problem and lost at the planning enquiry because the complainant lied

 

[Phil P]

We’ve touched base with our local row officer today. Just waiting for him to come back with a day/time to come and discuss the situation before it becomes an issue or it’s to late to do anything about it!

 

[ARW]

We have a corrupt parish council trying to open any sign of a footpath from a map from the 1800’s. None of these on there own property but they are upsetting many villagers and landowners

 

[Forkdriver]

Miles of disused footpaths without looking for fresh ones. I think that we need to be proactive in finding reasons for these not to be progressed. The Ramblers are like Tom cats peeing everywhere to mark territory.

 

[theboytheboy]

I wonder what the NFU, CLA etc have to say about this?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

I wonder what the NFU, CLA etc have to say about this?

yet to hear much from them....

 

[Yale]

Interesting question,if someone is rambling off the official path network and say on one of these ancient defunct paths can you insist they reveal their identity and address?

I‘m pretty sure you can escort them from the property however can you prevent them from leaving if you request their identity.

Is there a legal way of doing this?

@Danllan ?

 

[B'o'B]

Interesting question,if someone is rambling off the official path network and say on one of these ancient defunct paths can you insist they reveal their identity and address?

I‘m pretty sure you can escort them from the property however can you prevent them from leaving if you request their identity.

Is there a legal way of doing this?

@Danllan ?

I have been known to take a photo of repeat offenders. They don’t seem to like that!

 

[Yale]

I have been known to take a photo of repeat offenders. They don’t seem to like that!

I want to know where they live to have a family picnic in their garden.

 

[B'o'B]

I want to know where they live to have a family picnic in their garden.

I doubt that will end the way you think it should!

 

[Exfarmer]

Interesting question,if someone is rambling off the official path network and say on one of these ancient defunct paths can you insist they reveal their identity and address?

I‘m pretty sure you can escort them from the property however can you prevent them from leaving if you request their identity.

Is there a legal way of doing this?

@Danllan ?

You can request they leave, you can escort them , you can ask for their identity, but you must not lay a finger on them.
If they refuse to leave, you can ask for police assistance, good luck with that one! You will more likelyget arrestedfor harrassment

 

[Phil P]

You can request they leave, you can escort them , you can ask for their identity, but you must not lay a finger on them.
If they refuse to leave, you can ask for police assistance, good luck with that one! You will more likelyget arrestedfor harrassment

If it’s just trespass there’s not much the police can do however, If they call you a nasty name it then becomes “aggravated trespass” which is a chargeable offence. I’m pretty sure you have the right to use “reasonable force” to remove trespassers.

 

[Exfarmer]

If it’s just trespass there’s not much the police can do however, If they call you a nasty name it then becomes “aggravated trespass” which is a chargeable offence. I’m pretty sure you have the right to use “reasonable force” to remove trespassers.

Actually you are right, reasonable force can be used to remove a trespasser if they have ignored a request to leave.
However be extremely careful, as any “injury” of any sort could appear afterwards and could lead the farmer into court!
Trespassing in residential property is a criminal offence and police should respond to calls for assistance.

 

[Phil P]

Actually you are right, reasonable force can be used to remove a trespasser if they have ignored a request to leave.
However be extremely careful, as any “injury” of any sort could appear afterwards and could lead the farmer into court!
Trespassing in residential property is a criminal offence and police should respond to calls for assistance.

Is “reasonable force” actually defined by the law? Because my idea of reasonable force is getting the boys round with a few lengths of 2x4 and having the digger on standby. However others may see this as been slightly “excessive”

 

[Exfarmer]

Is “reasonable force” actually defined by the law? Because my idea of reasonable force is getting the boys round with a few lengths of 2x4 and having the digger on standby. However others may see this as been slightly “excessive”

That is the problem and reasonable force is most definitely not defined. However I suspect that your version would have slightly more sympathy from the courts if you were up against a couple of van loads of pikies intent on mayhem, than if it was a little old lady out blackberrying
Actually under common law the little old lady , blackberrying or mushrooming is probably within her rights to be there under gleaning rights, however you have the Countryside and wildlife act on your side, so pile in

 

[fieldfarmer]

If it’s just trespass there’s not much the police can do however, If they call you a nasty name it then becomes “aggravated trespass” which is a chargeable offence. I’m pretty sure you have the right to use “reasonable force” to remove trespassers.

Yes, reasonable force, but definitely do not lose your temper, definitely do not put the pallet tines of the forklift under the Hilux full of stolen firewood in an attempt to get your property back (he unloaded it himself so no damage) and be polite to the police when they later show up because they will understand.

 

[Exfarmer]

To anyone reading this thread, I am most definitely not an expert on these things, so please get proffessional advice before clobbering anyone.

 

[Yale]

Actually you are right, reasonable force can be used to remove a trespasser if they have ignored a request to leave.
However be extremely careful, as any “injury” of any sort could appear afterwards and could lead the farmer into court!
Trespassing in residential property is a criminal offence and police should respond to calls for assistance.

Residential property.

The local coppers told me there is nothing much they can do if someone is trespassing in a garden and this is why so many garden sheds get broken into because unless anything can be proved it’s a ticking off.

Entering a residential house is a different kettle of fish with different laws.

My understanding is you can have a picnic in someones garden however if they ask you to leave you have to.

Causing damage is another issue.