Rhs to go ahead, but.

[Greythundercloudys]

Yes, the livestock judging is to go ahead but behind close doors, l think they should have had the show end of August, surely everything will be back to normal buy then.

 

[warksfarmer]

Yes, the livestock judging is to go ahead but behind close doors, l think they should have had the show end of August, surely everything will be back to normal buy then.

Can’t see us getting back to full normality for 2 years until the whole world is vaccinated. Even with vaccination passports, which are a must.

 

[gone up the hill]

Can’t see us getting back to full normality for 2 years until the whole world is vaccinated. Even with vaccination passports, which are a must.

Sorry but this country is not Nazi Germany in the 1930s/ early 1940s!! AND If vaccination passports are introduced it would be the start of a very slipperly slope!

Average Covid death age is something like 82 which is about 6/12 months more than the average death age from all causes!! absolute nonsense to say vaccination passports are a must!!

Covid is far from a big threat currently, local testing centre has done well over 500 tests the last 5/6 weeks and out of ALL of those tests they have had the grand sum of 2 YES JUST 2 positive cases!

 

[gone up the hill]

Yes, the livestock judging is to go ahead but behind close doors, l think they should have had the show end of August, surely everything will be back to normal buy then.

I think most shows that have said they are going ahead in 2021 will regret doing so within a few weeks! Certainly masks and the 1 or 2 meter rule will be here for at least another 12 months as for the Gov its a very usefull control method/keeps covid fresh in the minds of people.

I also think for any large event that does go ahead you will have to have had a negative covid test even if you have had both jabs, how many people will bother with a test and the risk of having to isolate for 10 days just to spend a few hours at a show/event etc??

 

[deleted user 837354]

I would point out again- and for probably the millionth time- that the government response to this virus has never really been about the deaths it causes. Maybe in January it was, when that idiot made the prediction that insane numbers of people would die and require medical care in the process (this is what drove the move toward setting up the nightingale hospitals), only the bloke's model was totally wrong and as usual it had zero personal cost to the person that made it. Still, it was only money and only an emergency measure.

The main problem with the virus is that it is highly infectious and can hospitalise a lot of people in short order. There are not unlimited hospital beds in the UK nor unlimited staff to manage them. If you want to end up in a corridor or random building in a bed being looked after by a vet and a few soldiers (or a complete idiot like myself) then by all means push for a normal life/back to reality way forward because that is what you will get.

 

[Netherfield]

Yes, the livestock judging is to go ahead but behind close doors, l think they should have had the show end of August, surely everything will be back to normal buy then.

Depends what you mean by normal, no-one yet knows how effective these vaccines are going to be, I can see a big spike in cases coming yet.

Some of the local smaller shows might not even survive, most seem to lack any kind of finance.

 

[warksfarmer]

Sorry but this country is not Nazi Germany in the 1930s/ early 1940s!! AND If vaccination passports are introduced it would be the start of a very slipperly slope!

Average Covid death age is something like 82 which is about 6/12 months more than the average death age from all causes!! absolute nonsense to say vaccination passports are a must!!

Covid is far from a big threat currently, local testing centre has done well over 500 tests the last 5/6 weeks and out of ALL of those tests they have had the grand sum of 2 YES JUST 2 positive cases!

Genuinely surprises me how many people just don’t get about stopping the spread. Yes average deaths are 82 but those 126,000 already died could well of had another 10 years of life.

If you stop the spread you cut death rates which in conjunction with the vaccine is the way out.

Anybody refusing the vaccine except for medical reasons, shouldn’t be allowed to travel abroad. It’s as simple as that. To be honest I’d actually be happy to go further with restrictions on them in this country as well.

 

[deleted user 837354]

No, I'm all for letting unvaccinated folk go abroad. Whether your host nation wants you will be another matter mind.

I must also caution you as to the quality of healthcare abroad- it varies a lot. I would strongly recommend you have travel insurance (that covers covid-19 of course). If you believe the NHS is pants then you might get your eyes opened one way or the other. I know a person who was recently hospitalised for 2 days in the USA with acute depression. The bill was just short of $3000 and he basically had a chat with a therapist, a couple of consultants and was given some run of the mill medication. No scans, no bloods, no nothing. End up in ITU in the states and I dread to think of the bill at the end.

 

[MRT]

Can’t see us getting back to full normality for 2 years until the whole world is vaccinated. Even with vaccination passports, which are a must.

My kids have had thier lives shut down for a year to save the old folk now the second the old are vaccinated they are demanding that everyone carry a vaccine card to be allowed out. Selfish in the extreme. I think the financial burden for the fallout should land soley on the shoulders of the over 60s being as they are the demographic that have benefited and have all the wealth, something I have not yet heard discussed!

 

[TechWise]

Sorry but this country is not Nazi Germany in the 1930s/ early 1940s!! AND If vaccination passports are introduced it would be the start of a very slipperly slope!

Average Covid death age is something like 82 which is about 6/12 months more than the average death age from all causes!! absolute nonsense to say vaccination passports are a must!!

Covid is far from a big threat currently, local testing centre has done well over 500 tests the last 5/6 weeks and out of ALL of those tests they have had the grand sum of 2 YES JUST 2 positive cases!

Could you kindly enlighten us as to how a piece of paperwork enacted by a democratically elected government overseen by a free press is akin to one of the most despotic, genocidal regimes of all time?

 

[gone up the hill]

Could you kindly enlighten us as to how a piece of paperwork enacted by a democratically elected government overseen by a free press is akin to one of the most despotic, genocidal regimes of all time?

Because any regime with strict population controls starts off with small steps like for example a vaccine passport.

We certainly do not have a free press currently as last year the UK government made it very clear on several occasions to UK media company's that if they did not back the UK governments response to the C-19 virus to the hilt there would be serious ramifications for any media outlet that did not do so!

 

[gone up the hill]

My kids have had thier lives shut down for a year to save the old folk now the second the old are vaccinated they are demanding that everyone carry a vaccine card to be allowed out. Selfish in the extreme. I think the financial burden for the fallout should land soley on the shoulders of the over 60s being as they are the demographic that have benefited and have all the wealth, something I have not yet heard discussed!

What is your view on your kids have the vaccine? as that now seems the latest plan from the UK government before they will lift many of the restrictions!

 

[MRT]

The vaccine passport is an interesting idea. Have to wonder why it doesn't include other diseases and vaccinations. MMR, TB, STDs, maybe anyone unable to prove they are 100% healthy and not likely to infet others should be prevented from entering our country, or under house arrest if already resident

 

[gone up the hill]

The vaccine passport is an interesting idea. Have to wonder why it doesn't include other diseases and vaccinations. MMR, TB, STDs, maybe anyone unable to prove they are 100% healthy and not likely to infet others should be prevented from entering our country, or under house arrest if already resident

Because we live in a democracy and not a fascist/ communist country and thankfully in the UK people still have rights!

 

[TechWise]

Because any regime with strict population controls starts off with small steps like for example a vaccine passport.

We certainly do not have a free press currently as last year the UK government made it very clear on several occasions to UK media company's that if they did not back the UK governments response to the C-19 virus to the hilt there would be serious ramifications for any media outlet that did not do so!

Which regimes have implemented vaccine passports and are now controlling their populations?

The press have been slaughtering the government's Covid response for over a year now. They've been crucified for the lack of PPE, vague lockdown instructions, dodgy contract tenders, Dominic Cummings, Boris' Dad, the high death rate compared to Europe, the disproportionate death rate among BAME communities, nurses' pay, management of protests etc etc. I genuinely do not see how the press could be described as toeing the line here.

 

[Sid]

My kids have had thier lives shut down for a year to save the old folk now the second the old are vaccinated they are demanding that everyone carry a vaccine card to be allowed out. Selfish in the extreme. I think the financial burden for the fallout should land soley on the shoulders of the over 60s being as they are the demographic that have benefited and have all the wealth, something I have not yet heard discussed!

Vaccination only stops you from getting the virus as bad, it doesn't stop the transmission if your carrying it on your clothes or hands.

Interesting some of those now who have been vaccinated think they are invincible!

 

[gone up the hill]

Genuinely surprises me how many people just don’t get about stopping the spread. Yes average deaths are 82 but those 126,000 already died could well of had another 10 years of life.

If you stop the spread you cut death rates which in conjunction with the vaccine is the way out.

Anybody refusing the vaccine except for medical reasons, shouldn’t be allowed to travel abroad. It’s as simple as that. To be honest I’d actually be happy to go further with restrictions on them in this country as well.

And what about the millions of cancer/heart attack etc etc patients who have been refused NHS treatment the last 12 months and who many thousands of will sadly die much earlier?? because the NHS is not fit for purpose!

If you are scared of catching the virus, have the vaccine and lock yourself away at home for the rest of your life because every day you take risks with your live be that walking down the stairs/ driving your tractor/ car/ crossing the road etc etc, should all these things be banned as well??

 

[MRT]

What is your view on your kids have the vaccine? as that now seems the latest plan from the UK government before they will lift many of the restrictions!

It is a very scary proposition that the children of the country could be forced into having a vaccination for a disease that is unlikely to harm them.

 

[gone up the hill]

Which regimes have implemented vaccine passports and are now controlling their populations?

The press have been slaughtering the government's Covid response for over a year now. They've been crucified for the lack of PPE, vague lockdown instructions, dodgy contract tenders, Dominic Cummings, Boris' Dad, the high death rate compared to Europe, the disproportionate death rate among BAME communities, nurses' pay, management of protests etc etc. I genuinely do not see how the press could be described as toeing the line here.

Vaccine passport was an example of the start of a slippery slope of the removal of the rights of a person in their own country!

The UK press have certainly NOT been slaughtering the governments response to covid, plenty of hard hitting questions that they should be asking/ probing the UK gov about but keep very silent on!

 

[gone up the hill]

I would point out again- and for probably the millionth time- that the government response to this virus has never really been about the deaths it causes. Maybe in January it was, when that idiot made the prediction that insane numbers of people would die and require medical care in the process (this is what drove the move toward setting up the nightingale hospitals), only the bloke's model was totally wrong and as usual it had zero personal cost to the person that made it. Still, it was only money and only an emergency measure.

The main problem with the virus is that it is highly infectious and can hospitalise a lot of people in short order. There are not unlimited hospital beds in the UK nor unlimited staff to manage them. If you want to end up in a corridor or random building in a bed being looked after by a vet and a few soldiers (or a complete idiot like myself) then by all means push for a normal life/back to reality way forward because that is what you will get.

The whole point of the lockdowns the last 12 months were as you say quite rightly Ollie being all about protecting the NHS.

But once all the most at risk groups have been vaccinated and given the data shows once you have had the 2 jabs you are very unlikely to need hospital treatment if you do catch the virus then there is NO excuse for the lockdown and the very strict restrictions to carry on.