Russian invasion of Europe

[FonterraFarmer]

Hopefully Putin will fall out of a window and a more sensible leader emerges

You could say that about just about any country.






The UK is no exception, allegedly.

 

[kiwi pom]

A general invasion of Europe isn't going to happen, France definitely would go nuclear if its homeland was threatened and even in a purely conventional war Russia would have the living sh!t kicked out of it, and knows it.

But... if Ukraine is not given the necessary to ensure Russia loses there, a series of small 'pecking' operations are not unlikely. I think Moldova would be the first target and, if all went well there, that a few pokes at one of the Baltic states would be next.

Yet NATO has to be seen to be resolute as well as effective; my guess is that Estonia would be the first target, being 30% ethnic Russian. I don't suggest that Russia would openly attack a NATO member, but I'd not be surprised if it were to encourage and support secessionists in the East, nor if 'little green men' were seen there. And then, when there was a a pretend state formed, Russia would act formally; but it would be a very cautious series of escalating steps.

What will stop this? Properly supporting Ukraine now.

We’re not close to properly supporting them though are we, why is that?
Perhaps because the threat to America and other NATO countries isn’t that high?
I wouldn’t put it past them to interfere in smaller more local countries though to influence policy.
They're not the only country to do that are they?

 

[robs1]

You could say that about just about any country.






The UK is no exception, allegedly.

The UK isn't invading anyone

 

[Henarar]

The UK isn't invading anyone

for a change

 

[Exfarmer]

Putin isn't stupid enough to attack NATO.
The US military machine is too big. If the US really thought Ukraine was critical to world stability they would be doing more, don't you think?

you obviously do not spend much time on US politics, not heard that Trump is regularly threatening to leave NATO.
Without the US, NATO is mainly a bunch of toothless old women who would soon retreat behind their front doors if the bear comes knocking. Even now we are running very short of arms and ammunition and we have very little military manufacturing left. Russia could blockade the Atlantic shipping to prevent realistic re supply from American manufacturers and that would rely on the Chinese not attacking Taiwan at the same time.
I do not think for one minute that Russia will attack across a wide area, but the obvious start will be taking the corridor to Kaliningrad. Then moving up through the Baltic states.

 

[Henarar]

you obviously do not spend much time on US politics, not heard that Trump is regularly threatening to leave NATO.
Without the US, NATO is mainly a bunch of toothless old women who would soon retreat behind their front doors if the bear comes knocking. Even now we are running very short of arms and ammunition and we have very little military manufacturing left. Russia could blockade the Atlantic shipping to prevent realistic re supply from American manufacturers and that would rely on the Chinese not attacking Taiwan at the same time.
I do not think for one minute that Russia will attack across a wide area, but the obvious start will be taking the corridor to Kaliningrad. Then moving up through the Baltic states.

Best keep dripping supply's in to Ukraine then to keep them busy there

 

[Exfarmer]

Best keep dripping supply's in to Ukraine then to keep them busy there

The problem is , that is what we have been doing far too slowly, mainly due to the fact we do not have the back up ammunition and equipment we once did.
Think we only have about 50 serviceable tanks, not long ago it was 350 and 40 years ago it was well into 4 figures

 

[Henarar]

The problem is , that is what we have been doing far too slowly, mainly due to the fact we do not have the back up ammunition and equipment we once did.
Think we only have about 50 serviceable tanks, not long ago it was 350 and 40 years ago it was well into 4 figures

But I am sure between the "west"ern countries enough can be found to keep them plugging away in Ukraine for a few more years by then perhaps putin will fall of his perch or out of a window.

 

[kiwi pom]

you obviously do not spend much time on US politics, not heard that Trump is regularly threatening to leave NATO.
Without the US, NATO is mainly a bunch of toothless old women who would soon retreat behind their front doors if the bear comes knocking. Even now we are running very short of arms and ammunition and we have very little military manufacturing left. Russia could blockade the Atlantic shipping to prevent realistic re supply from American manufacturers and that would rely on the Chinese not attacking Taiwan at the same time.
I do not think for one minute that Russia will attack across a wide area, but the obvious start will be taking the corridor to Kaliningrad. Then moving up through the Baltic states.

1. Trump isn't president.
2. When he was, he didn't leave NATO.
3. He did complain about the contributions of other NATO countries, as have previous presidents (in less shouty ways)
4. The Ukraine war has seen other countries up their financial commitments in defence, it has been very beneficial to the US in this regard, (guess where they buy a lot of their equipment from)
5. The US will not pull its military out of Europe; their whole defense strategy is to keep any threat to its own country thousands of miles away.
6. I'm glad you've figured out that it is America that completely controls what happens in the war, I get shouted at when I mention it.
7. To repeat myself, Russia is NOT attacking NATO.

 

[Llmmm]

The Poles have been building up their military capacity the last few years.

Where will the money come from in western countries we and other countries cant afford lot hospital care etc you could see some pubic reaction if public spending is cut putin and his buddies can do it no one will dare complain

 

[Exfarmer]

1. Trump isn't president.
2. When he was, he didn't leave NATO.
3. He did complain about the contributions of other NATO countries, as have previous presidents (in less shouty ways)
4. The Ukraine war has seen other countries up their financial commitments in defence, it has been very beneficial to the US in this regard, (guess where they buy a lot of their equipment from)
5. The US will not pull its military out of Europe; their whole defense strategy is to keep any threat to its own country thousands of miles away.
6. I'm glad you've figured out that it is America that completely controls what happens in the war, I get shouted at when I mention it.
7. To repeat myself, Russia is NOT attacking NATO.

You really need to read up on Putin, he has been saying for a number of years that he will take Russia back to its old borders, just like Hitler, appeasement will only encourage and strengthen his hand.

 

[kiwi pom]

You really need to read up on Putin, he has been saying for a number of years that he will take Russia back to its old borders, just like Hitler, appeasement will only encourage and strengthen his hand.

Russia isn't doing anything; they can't advance in Ukraine a few miles from their own border.
The US may have decided Ukraine isn't vital (or Russia is weaker than expected) but they won't let Russia expand into countries like Poland or Germany. I don't care what Putin wants, he like the rest of us are controlled by the US. They will put him back in his box if he gets too ambitious.

Remember it was Europe that was getting too friendly with Russia at the start of all this with their energy dependency.
That's why Biden said the pipeline would go and it's gone.

 

[oil barron]

You really need to read up on Putin, he has been saying for a number of years that he will take Russia back to its old borders, just like Hitler, appeasement will only encourage and strengthen his hand.

Zelensky is looking for another half million to chuck in to the meat grinder. Glad you will be stepping up.

Ukraine military seeks extra 500,000 soldiers - President Zelensky

Ukraine's leader admits mobilisation is a sensitive and costly issue as the war with Russia nears two-year mark.

www.bbc.com

 

[soapsud]

From a warehouse/storage PoV, the west must be getting low on ordinance - we know Russia depends on India for oil exports and China for supplies. So, question. Anyone got any reason why the EU should get an army afterall?.

 

[Exfarmer]

From a warehouse/storage PoV, the west must be getting low on ordinance - we know Russia depends on India for oil exports and China for supplies. So, question. Anyone got any reason why the EU should get an army afterall?.

It is increasingly a huge issue which we need to face urgently. Drones warfare has totally changed the outlook. simple very cheap drones flown in Swarms can have a devastating effect on cities. ou only option at the moment is relying on ultra sophisticated technology. Currently in the Gulf the Americans are using missiles which cost £11 million each, to take out drones which Iran is supplying at a £1,000 a time.
The Russians are using similar to swamp Ukrainian Cities simply to reduce their air defence capacity to resist attack from aircraft

 

[Muck Spreader]

Zelensky is looking for another half million to chuck in to the meat grinder. Glad you will be stepping up.

Ukraine military seeks extra 500,000 soldiers - President Zelensky

Ukraine's leader admits mobilisation is a sensitive and costly issue as the war with Russia nears two-year mark.

www.bbc.com

What choice do they have, given the fact that the West isn't supplying them with the equipment they need. The West has now had 2 years to put its armaments industries onto a war footing and supply Ukraine with what it needs, which it has mostly failed to do.

Very much a case of Winston Churchill's famous quote: “Give Us the Tools, and We Will Finish the Job”.

 

[Exfarmer]

Russia isn't doing anything; they can't advance in Ukraine a few miles from their own border.
The US may have decided Ukraine isn't vital (or Russia is weaker than expected) but they won't let Russia expand into countries like Poland or Germany. I don't care what Putin wants, he like the rest of us are controlled by the US. They will put him back in his box if he gets too ambitious.

Remember it was Europe that was getting too friendly with Russia at the start of all this with their energy dependency.
That's why Biden said the pipeline would go and it's gone.

To be fair to Europe it did appear that the Russian bear was prepared to go down the path of Peace for mutual benefit. Trade has had a huge affect on the Russian economy and many of its population have done extremely well and not just the Oligarchs. The problem is that Putin whilst embracing democracy at first realised that a new government would seek to recover the vast sums of wealth that he and his friends have stolen from the people. Muskovites have done very well but so much of the country lives in abject poverty and the message was getting out there thanks to some very determined people . However much Putin tried the resistance to his government increased despite a massive operation to suppress the media.
Putin has certainly never been under the control. of the US , but he has so far been held back in his ambitions. He has put Russia on to a full scale war footing and that can only lead one way

 

[oil barron]

What choice do they have, given the fact that the West isn't supplying them with the equipment they need. The West has now had 2 years to put its armaments industries onto a war footing and supply Ukraine with what it needs, which it has mostly failed to do.

Very much a case of Winston Churchill's famous quote: “Give Us the Tools, and We Will Finish the Job”.

Borris should never have talked him out of the deal that was on the table with Russia at the start of the war. He was trying to be churchill without having a clue what he was getting them in to.

 

[hoff135]

Pretty poor telling ukraine they would support them then abandoning them after 2 years. Without support I think putin will take the whole country in the next couple of years. Russia has been woeful but they keep coming, just like they always do.

At that point putin will control vast amounts of the world's food producing land, and taking ukraine will be a strategic disaster especially europe. Meanwhile we are indulging ourselves in netzero and gender identity nonsense.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Borris should never have talked him out of the deal that was on the table with Russia at the start of the war. He was trying to be churchill without having a clue what he was getting them in to.

You seriously believe that. Apart from the conditions Russia put down: Legal recognition for Russia's annexation of Crimea, independence of Luhansk and Donetsk, as well as demilitarisation and "de-Nazification" of Ukraine. It doesn't take must to see that "demilitarisation and "de-Nazification" would equate the Russia carrying out mass genocide inside a helpless Ukraine.