Sanderson T2-6 -22 1986

[steve p]

Can anybody please advise me for spare parts for my Sanderson teleporter type T2 -6-22 1986 - the transmission brake assembly located on the front prop -shaft has fallen apart - the disk and parts of the master cylinder piston ect - and also the brake pads - none of these parts are listed anymore with Sanderson dealers - has anybody had experience for finding replacements -which i understand are generally ford parts
i attached pictures of disk - master cylinder housing and the brake pads

Many Thanks
Steve

 

[ACEngineering]

Can anybody please advise me for spare parts for my Sanderson teleporter type T2 -6-22 1986 - the transmission brake assembly located on the front prop -shaft has fallen apart - the disk and parts of the master cylinder piston ect - and also the brake pads - none of these parts are listed anymore with Sanderson dealers - has anybody had experience for finding replacements -which i understand are generally ford parts
i attached pictures of disk - master cylinder housing and the brake pads

Many Thanks
Steve

Thats not the factory fit handbrake on any sanderson that i have ever seen. Your machine should have a drum and shoes for the handbrake. Foot brakes on very early ones were dry discs and pads are easy available but the calipers and discs are long obsolete.

 

[spin cycle]

didn't claas buy sanderson?

 

[steve p]

Thats not the factory fit handbrake on any sanderson that i have ever seen. Your machine should have a drum and shoes for the handbrake. Foot brakes on very early ones were dry discs and pads are easy available but the calipers and discs are long obsolete.

didn't claas buy sanderson?

yes they did

 

[steve p]

Thats not the factory fit handbrake on any sanderson that i have ever seen. Your machine should have a drum and shoes for the handbrake. Foot brakes on very early ones were dry discs and pads are easy available but the calipers and discs are long obsolete.

yes not listed anymore as a Sanderson part, although i have been informed from an retired Sanderson contact that the original part number for the disk is NBD 002 - which on web search relates to a Ford Sierra brake disk - by picture it matches what i have apart from additional holes for the prop connection - it sort of makes sense as the are ford parts all over it - the engine is ford 5000 tractor - I'm just wondering if the master cylinder and disks are also of a ford origin - if anybody recognises them as such ?

 

[ACEngineering]

yes not listed anymore as a Sanderson part, although i have been informed from an retired Sanderson contact that the original part number for the disk is NBD 002 - which on web search relates to a Ford Sierra brake disk - by picture it matches what i have apart from additional holes for the prop connection - it sort of makes sense as the are ford parts all over it - the engine is ford 5000 tractor - I'm just wondering if the master cylinder and disks are also of a ford origin - if anybody recognises them as such ?

I have a full set of old sanderson parts micro fishes and on the handbrakes there has only ever been a drum and shoes on the old ones like yours and the later ones a twin disc type but nothing like your picture.

I would bet money what you have isn't factory fitted by sanderson, The handbrakes were all on the top of the drop box not connected to a prop shaft.

 

[steve p]

I have a full set of old sanderson parts micro fishes and on the handbrakes there has only ever been a drum and shoes on the old ones like yours and the later ones a twin disc type but nothing like your picture.

I would bet money what you have isn't factory fitted by sanderson, The handbrakes were all on the top of the drop box not connected to a prop shaft.

That's interesting - i now have a solution for the disc as will get the hole centres for the replacement modal re drilled - the is also a company local here that can re sleeve and fit out master cylinders
now hoping that somebody may recognise the brake shoes - i will take them in to our local motor factors to see if somebody there recognises them.

Thanks

 

[essexpete]

The hand brake is more like the set up used by JCB on their early shuttle machines with the Borg Warner transmissions.

 

[ACEngineering]

The hand brake is more like the set up used by JCB on their early shuttle machines with the Borg Warner transmissions.

yes JCB did have a disc with some tiny pads on the old machines but didn't have the drop box bolted to it so the handbrake set up off a JCB wouldn't work on the Sanderson, plus the OP is hydraulic handbrake were both Sanderson's and JCB are cable.

The OP has something cobbled up from a car disc brake of some sort on the prop shaft from what i can make of it. Would make sense if the machine was running the old dry disc brakes on the wheels and they teed in to that circuit to work a extra disc brake on the prop shaft cause the factory dry disc brakes were next to useless on there own!
May have added the extra master cylinder and pedal linkage off a later one that used 2 cylinders under the dash?

As a handbrake it make no sense to have it hydraulic operated!

 

[essexpete]

yes JCB did have a disc with some tiny pads on the old machines but didn't have the drop box bolted to it so the handbrake set up off a JCB wouldn't work on the Sanderson, plus the OP is hydraulic handbrake were both Sanderson's and JCB are cable.

The OP has something cobbled up from a car disc brake of some sort on the prop shaft from what i can make of it. Would make sense if the machine was running the old dry disc brakes on the wheels and they teed in to that circuit to work a extra disc brake on the prop shaft cause the factory dry disc brakes were next to useless on there own!
May have added the extra master cylinder and pedal linkage off a later one that used 2 cylinders under the dash?

As a handbrake it make no sense to have it hydraulic operated!

Oh I see Ace, I had missed the point. Yes dangerous having a hydraulic handbrake. The later Sanderson brakes were not "all that" either.

 

[335d]

The op has not stated it’s hand operated.
he just refers to a transmission brake

 

[steve p]

The op has not stated it’s hand operated.
he just refers to a transmission brake

i have been informed that this unit is for the handbrake - but it is connected to the same system - i noticed it through loosing normal braking function and could see that the brake fluid revivor was going down - i traced the leak back to this unit on the centre / forward prop where i than saw that the disk and piston in the master cylinder had broken up

 

[335d]

And is the handbrake hydraulic, or is the calliper like the rear on a car with the cable attached to it And a threaded piston?
as AC has mentioned, seems to be a non standard fit.
if you can get a manufacturer number of th calliper, you should then be able to find suitable brake pads.

 

[335d]

@steve p In the picture above, you have shown a picture of a brake calliper.
I can’t see any picture of the master cylinder.
Am I missing a picture?

 

[steve p]

And is the handbrake hydraulic, or is the calliper like the rear on a car with the cable attached to it And a threaded piston?
as AC has mentioned, seems to be a non standard fit.
if you can get a manufacturer number of th calliper, you should then be able to find suitable brake pads.

the handbrake has a cable connection - i cannot see any identification on the calliper - master cylinder unit but I'm hopeful i can get the master cylinder refurbished having spoken to a company this pm - or they may then recognise and be able to identify it - i will be seeing them tomorrow.

 

[steve p]

@steve p In the picture above, you have shown a picture of a brake calliper.
I can’t see any picture of the master cylinder.
Am I missing a picture?

the unit is the calliper and cylinder - (in the top of the picture below) the pipe fitting is in the back of this and the is a piston in the bore of the cylinder that was broken up - this was the source of the leak

 

[ACEngineering]

The op has not stated it’s hand operated.
he just refers to a transmission brake

No he didnt but thats a hydraulic caliper in his picture.

 

[ACEngineering]

the handbrake has a cable connection - i cannot see any identification on the calliper - master cylinder unit but I'm hopeful i can get the master cylinder refurbished having spoken to a company this pm - or they may then recognise and be able to identify it - i will be seeing them tomorrow.

The factory master cylinder is just a bigger bore version of the later twin version set up i think and should be no problem to match up once you know the bore etc? I have a pair of the later versions and sure they are 3/4" bores where as i'm thinking the older single cylinder was 1" bore?

 

[335d]

the unit is the calliper and cylinder - (in the top of the picture below) the pipe fitting is in the back of this and the is a piston in the bore of the cylinder that was broken up - this was the source of the leak

your picture shows a brake caliper, it’s the slave cylinder in the braking system.
A master cylinder is physically connected to the brake pedal with a rod, mechanical linkage of some sort.
Maybe, I am picking you up wrong, but just trying to help with terminology when you are speaking to parts people.

so it’s the cylinder in the brake calliper that has broken up?
should be able to be repaired by any motor factors.

Are you sure this is actually connected to the handbrake?
You mention that the handbrake has a cable, so how does it attach to this calliper?

Again, not trying to be smart, just wondering what sort of system you have, as you seem a little unsure.

 

[steve p]

Hi Yes thanks i appreciate the help - a local agricultural engineering company took it apart and then said the parts are obsolete, so i have investigated and found that the disk and pads is type as a Ford sierra the calliper is a Girling not yet sure where from but as you say i have found a company who can refurb.

all interesting stuff !

Many Thanks
Steve