Shaffer loaders

[Oaktree33]

Hi there looking at second hand scaffer bendy loaders, but there seems to be bugger all come up when you Google them good or bad. Before I go and have a look at one anybody running one or know what to look out for?

 

[vantage]

I have a couple of mates with them. One’s on his second. Bombproof.
@The Agrarian has one.

 

[The Agrarian]

Yep. Got it two years ago with 50 hours on it, and it's past 1800 now. Model 8610.

Problems:
- Wiper motor wrung off the shaft at 1000 hours. Warranty. That's the only part she's had bar filters.

- The boom suspension isn't just as good as our previous shovels from the Kramer/Weidemann family. Been looked at by dealer, and a touring mechanic from the factory, without any improvement.

That's it so far, as you be hoping for.

100hp deutz engine, hopefully 40,000 hours in that. Axles and hydraulic pump brands are German as far as I know. Mine was the very last of the old model. The 8620 had already been out 6 months, so mine thankfully is pre ad blue. Pins and bushes are heavy. The ones in the scissor in the head are huge. We like it a lot. The only thing I can't report on yet is that the pivot is a sealed unit. I like to be able to grease things like that. But obviously they decided at the factory I wasn't going to...

Which model are you looking at? A whole lot depends on the previous owner, and how it was maintained. A lot of folks don't use enough grease. Put the head on and off the ground and watch the pivot to see if there's any slackness there.

 

[Oaktree33]

Have seen a couple of 9310 and 9330s some on little fat wheels and some on taller ones. Will be doing a mix of general mixed farm work might even have a day on the pit. But just concerning how little online about them when every other make has a thread about them. But is no news good news?

 

[Dave79]

I’m on my 3rd, as we change every 4/5 yrs so we don’t have issues. They have been trouble free for the most part, and built heavy so they take the little knocks well. Our last matbro was fit for scrapping when it left at 4 (might be exaggerating, but only slightly) whereas the last Schaffer was still tidy at 4. We changed as we had a bit of money to spare and were pleasantly surprised with how it had held its value. Only things I can remember are a new hydraulic pump which I changed myself and a part for the oil cooling radiator which took a few days to source, and I think that they were both on the first machine, and a few oil pipes obviously, but that’s wear and tear really.

 

[Chips]

I tried one a few months ago but ended up buying a weidemann , the main difference being the weidemann has a proper locking diff , where as most others have a limited slip diff which makes the steering heavy and scrubs tyres off , where as the weidemann is effortless to drive and with 3700hrs the tyres are barely worn where as limited slip diff models tends to be completely bald at 3500hrs . Weidemann also has better legroom , the scaffer has a low dash that you bang your knees on . Build quality bob on with either model though

 

[puntabrava]

Before I go and have a look at one anybody running one or know what to look out for?

Something with about 2 metres more boom length.

 

[The Agrarian]

I’m on my 3rd, as we change every 4/5 yrs so we don’t have issues. They have been trouble free for the most part, and built heavy so they take the little knocks well. Our last matbro was fit for scrapping when it left at 4 (might be exaggerating, but only slightly) whereas the last Schaffer was still tidy at 4. We changed as we had a bit of money to spare and were pleasantly surprised with how it had held its value. Only things I can remember are a new hydraulic pump which I changed myself and a part for the oil cooling radiator which took a few days to source, and I think that they were both on the first machine, and a few oil pipes obviously, but that’s wear and tear really.

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How many hours do you put on a matbro for. It to be scrap in four years? Or what's the work?

 

[Dave79]

Too many tight places and too few careful drivers, some of whom may have been pensioned off since! To be fair as part of the deal to change it was left on site for a month for the builders of my dad’s bungalow, and that was a hard month for it. It was doing all dairy work, feeding, sawdusting, buck raking etc.

 

[sidjon]

We've got a 9510 on s 13 plate, has been and good bus, but it's too unstable, all 4 wheels fully ballast and still will lift on full lock on flat ground and to slow on road.

 

[The Agrarian]

We have ours on narrow track wheels to make it go where we want, so it needs respect regarding stability. Its only six foot wide, and 6.5 ton. No wheel ballast. I also have a thing about tyres that are too hard, so I let 50% of the air out when it arrived. Running it at 26psi now, which is fine, except for 2t pallets. Which is only three loads a year, so we don't change them for it. Just going easy. Swings a little bit, but there's warning in that, which is a good thing.

Ours does 35kph, so happy enough.

 

[sidjon]

Ours is on the widest possible tracking, have had pivot steering machines since 1984, the Shaffer is definitely not as stable as the Terex it replaced, but is 100% more reliable, 25kph and 30kph down hill, think they have improved road speed since we had ours

 

[The Agrarian]

Ours is on the widest possible tracking, have had pivot steering machines since 1984, the Shaffer is definitely not as stable as the Terex it replaced, but is 100% more reliable, 25kph and 30kph down hill, think they have improved road speed since we had ours

What do you put that down to? Narrower, or more weight, or higher centre or gravity?

I tried one a few months ago but ended up buying a weidemann , the main difference being the weidemann has a proper locking diff , where as most others have a limited slip diff which makes the steering heavy and scrubs tyres off , where as the weidemann is effortless to drive and with 3700hrs the tyres are barely worn where as limited slip diff models tends to be completely bald at 3500hrs . Weidemann also has better legroom , the scaffer has a low dash that you bang your knees on . Build quality bob on with either model though

Interesting points about tyres. Our last machine was a Weidemann 3070 with manual diff lock, and we took over four thousand hours out of the first set, replaced them, and then sold it not long after. But that was running them bald for probably a thousand hours. Can't be sure. I'm guessing the canvas was showing when we replaced them. ?

That was our first pivot steer. Previous models were all Kramer four wheel steer with limited slip. They were definitely harder on tyres - bald at 2k hours. But then also they came on really crappy continentals. BKTs in that size have been twice the tyre at two thirds the price. I also thin that four wheel steer LS is generally harder than our current pivot steer on LS. You don't hear near the same scrubbing as with the four wheel steer. Current tyres are BKT, about half way or a little more at 1800 hours, so not too bad. Project baldness at about 3k. It does have a ton and a half more weight than the Weidemann on exactly the same wheels.

What diffs do JCB 320's have? Our neighbour balds them in 2k hours.

 

[Khan]

2015 9530 here from new and 2014 8090T bought secondhand. 9530 replaced 900T. Well built, Deutz engine in the bigger one very economical. Both hydrostatic so top speed isn't great or towing but no issue with pushing power. Cabs are grey and bit dark but everything on one joystick including shuttle and range. Good paint on them. Replaced turbo in the 900 but apart from that very reliable. Bigger one does buckraking, grain and straw handling, mucking out and loading, 8090T is full time feeding, scraping and bedding cows over winter. Farm over three yards all three plus miles apart so would rather run two forklifts than have one newer one.

 

[Chips]

What do you put that down to? Narrower, or more weight, or higher centre or gravity?



Interesting points about tyres. Our last machine was a Weidemann 3070 with manual diff lock, and we took over four thousand hours out of the first set, replaced them, and then sold it not long after. But that was running them bald for probably a thousand hours. Can't be sure. I'm guessing the canvas was showing when we replaced them. ?

That was our first pivot steer. Previous models were all Kramer four wheel steer with limited slip. They were definitely harder on tyres - bald at 2k hours. But then also they came on really crappy continentals. BKTs in that size have been twice the tyre at two thirds the price. I also thin that four wheel steer LS is generally harder than our current pivot steer on LS. You don't hear near the same scrubbing as with the four wheel steer. Current tyres are BKT, about half way or a little more at 1800 hours, so not too bad. Project baldness at about 3k. It does have a ton and a half more weight than the Weidemann on exactly the same wheels.

What diffs do JCB 320's have? Our neighbour balds them in 2k hours.

JCB 320's have limited slip .
4 wheel steer is far harder on tyres as all wheels are fighting each other when you are turning where as the pivots rear wheels follow in the exact track of the front wheels , this is also why 4 wheel steer is far worse of road when it's wet .
To be honest side boom 4 wheel steer handlers ought to be banned along with side mounted mowers , they are for social deviants only IMHO , strangely though they have both taken other the market , I guess that makes me the social deviant !

 

[The Agrarian]

Well, wouldn't ban them, but visibility on side mounteds is terrible. Wouldn't have one unless it was one of those tiny things for cleaning out wee pens.

Side mounted on a tractor on their own can be a pain on sloped ground. Still would prefer trailed. But with a front mower, they are preferred. We kept our trailed mower for three seasons after getting a front mower for the first time. It was workable, but changed to mounted and wouldn't go back.

 

[ACEngineering]

Yep. Got it two years ago with 50 hours on it, and it's past 1800 now. Model 8610.

Problems:
- Wiper motor wrung off the shaft at 1000 hours. Warranty. That's the only part she's had bar filters.

- The boom suspension isn't just as good as our previous shovels from the Kramer/Weidemann family. Been looked at by dealer, and a touring mechanic from the factory, without any improvement.

That's it so far, as you be hoping for.

100hp deutz engine, hopefully 40,000 hours in that. Axles and hydraulic pump brands are German as far as I know. Mine was the very last of the old model. The 8620 had already been out 6 months, so mine thankfully is pre ad blue. Pins and bushes are heavy. The ones in the scissor in the head are huge. We like it a lot. The only thing I can't report on yet is that the pivot is a sealed unit. I like to be able to grease things like that. But obviously they decided at the factory I wasn't going to...

Which model are you looking at? A whole lot depends on the previous owner, and how it was maintained. A lot of folks don't use enough grease. Put the head on and off the ground and watch the pivot to see if there's any slackness there.

Dont worry about centre pivot there bomb proof!
Over 7k hrs on a 6390T and centre pivot original and as tight as it was when new!
Its worst thing in 7k plus hours is few pins and bushes worn here and there and main tilt link ripped out of boom.
Few other niggles but minor really.
Axles are schaffers own on this model and not been touched! Not even a hub seal or anything!

All in all not bad and faired way better than the previous Terex T200 that had gearbox and loads of other repairs at 5.5k hrs when traded in to me before going to it's new owner.

I liked them but no one wanted to buy them due to poor road travel and towing etc.

 

[sidjon]

What do you put that down to? Narrower, or more weight, or higher centre or gravity?

Think it's higher centre of gravity and being slightly narrower,

 

[Oaktree33]

So generally all good news so that's the reason there isn't much online about them as everyone only shouts the issues. Better have a look then tuesday

 

[The Agrarian]

I also had the Weidemann 3070 with the low profile cab, and it was absolutely awful. Really cramped, and hot. In contrast, I also have the low profile cab on the Schaffer, and it's a brilliant cab. Not just as low, but skims under our valleys. And it has room for an air seat, and air con. ?. Magic.

One thing I LOVED about the Weidemann though was the direct hydraulic joystick. Can't beat feel of being right on the block. All these modern cable and electro jobs are just not the same. But the price is heat in the cab of course. Anyway, Weidemann told me at the time I bought the Schaffer that they stopped offering that.

As an aside, my old Kramer 512 four wheel steer was manual diff pedal. She was easy on tyres. Drove diagonally opposite wheels! Tyres did about 8000 hours til the canvas came through!