Beckett2018
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Hi I’m looking for a sheep shower/dipper for sale if anyone is selling one?
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Sheep shower
- Thread starter Beckett2018
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- JanDeGrootLand
Be careful about shower. I think they are no longer legal. As far as I know No product is licensed or approved for spraying sheep.
- Location
- Scottish Borders
Sheep showers are alright for colouring but if you're looking to dip them, use an actual dipper, sheep showers don't sometimes get all the way to the skin.
Timbo
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- Location
- Gods County
All in the Operator.
- Location
- Scottish Borders
No it is not. Sheeps fleeces are litterally designed to keep as much water off as possible. Only way to know it's done properly is submerge the fleece. There's a reason nobody has SS anymore.
Aspiring Peasants
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- North Pennines
I don’t think sheep dip is licensed for using through sheep showers
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
It never has been afaik. It still works though, to control flystrike.
The only reason they are not 100% effective against scab is that the little buggers can survive in their ears, which the shower/jetter might not penetrate, and the reason dipped sheep have to be submerged.
This looks a clever approach, and says research has shown ears are soaked...
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Sheep Shower System - DipFast Static and Mobile
Mobile Sheep Shower How It StartedMark Kelly an experienced Sheep Farmer and Electrician, built the first Dipfast Sheep Shower 8 years ago. He utilised an old Oil Tank and materials he found on his farm. Finding the process of dipping sheep taking more time and becoming even more expensive...
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
I'd say it'll more be the sides, it jets from top and bottom but not the sides and when you've got layers of wool hanging down the side of a yow, it's never going to get thru even if it was a full 360 jetter. Mean I'm no expert but just what I find with ours, a Thompson sheep shower. It only gets used for colouring mule yow lambs. Our dipper unfortunately got filled in 20 years ago to stop me falling in as a wean, was done anyway. We only use pour ons, no dip tho I'd like to change that with more ticks about now.
- Location
- Dumfries & Galloway
If you're doing it for scab, a plunge dip is the only way to treat it. Showers and jetters don't even come close, no matter who the operator is.
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- JanDeGrootLand
I would go as far as say that using Showers/Jetters for Treating Scab is not just throwing your cash away it is also one of the reasons that resistance to products develops.
IIRC the REQUIREMENT of submersing sheep in dip solution for one minute is that it has been known for at least a centaury now that to kill active mite is fairly quick but to have the active attach to wool oils so that it continues to kill mites as they emerge from the eggs which are attached to wool fibre.
Another problem with jetters is that as there are no licenced products, how do you calculate the correct top up strength , remember that current product available strips out active faster than actual wash.
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- Montgomeryshire
Oh they do come close, but unfortunately close isn't good for scab mites.
Having used a jetter for blowfly control for many years previously, the skin is certainly wetted thoroughly, every bit as thoroughly as with plunge dipping IME. It's just the scab mites that may choose to hide in the ear that is the problem apparently.
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- JanDeGrootLand
Have a read up on the Scab Mite eggs. Ignore anything written more than 18/20 years ago as it is outdated, based on work using products withdrawn 30 to 40 years ago (Dieldren) which had a much longer toxic period for Scab.
Jetter is fine for Blowfly and maybe lice. Equally I would not think it is effective enough for Tick longer than 2 or 3 weeks.
I think it is unfortunate that we have lost SP dips as they seemed much more effective than diazinon for scab
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- Dumfries & Galloway
So to recap; For scab treatment Showers and Jetters do not come close to being effective, unlike plunge dipping.
which is what I said.
My brother worked for years for Shearing plough ( amongst others) and they were desperate to get their sheep dip licensed for a shower as it would have been a huge worldwide market but it failed at every trial for its efficacy. He told me about them dipping them in an orange dye and spraying them with the same dye and when they clipped both batched the sheep showered batch were still white whilst the dipped sheep were completely orange. In the end they give up trying for the license.
Aspiring Peasants
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- Location
- North Pennines
There is no question dipping is best, the problem is the EA make it very expensive to get a disposal license and contract dippers often can’t come when you need them, so people are forced to look for alternatives.Put a dipper in and stop pissing about.
You'll need to when you realize the shower doesn't work and your sheep have scab.
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- JanDeGrootLand
There used to be a research unit near Brampton. Spent many Years and Millions on trying new products. Only remember one coming through.
Often wondered what happened to the folks that worked there. They were great.
Brampton is where aI live, Youngs at Talkin developed the sachets for the dip if you remember them. Farm sold off now probably due to all those companies either amalgamating or being taken over which was very common a few years ago.
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- JanDeGrootLand
Talkin. Couldn't remember the name of the village. Nice little pub/hotel, and the narrowest of lanes at the end.
Pity that Youngs(Grampian Pharmaceuticals) went. There were many products researched there and were used by a number of manufacturers.
Think it would have been 96 Grampian sold Youngs to 3I investment group who asset striped and sold products and rights. Stopped direct sales and cut sales staff by half. Basically closed everything down.