Shop 'til you drop - we've learned nothing so far

[Still Farming]

anti body test says otherwise

Only 70% any good apparently?

 

[Daniel]

I agree - my (over 70) parents would be certifiable to start shopping at TK maxx or mixing with others, they need to remain VERY cautious and in lockdown until a vaccine is available frankly

Those in none "at risk" groups do not need to lock down at all - I've had C19 it seems (antibody) and didn't even notice !

There probably won't be a vaccine. Your parents should get out there and enjoy the summer, being kept at home indefinitely will certainly do them no good physically and mentally, covid 'might' cause them a problem 'if' they catch a big enough dose of it.

Life is a risk and something will get them in the end.

 

[Dr. Alkathene]

People posting about slavery, from their devices made by Chinese children. While wearing their new Primark clothes made by Indonesian children.....

 

[Dr. Alkathene]

Did anyone see the "rush" to get in to the Nike store. Bizarre.

Was it like the rush to get in the Nike stores in the USA?

 

[organicguy]

I reckon the data is rather clearly now showing we should never have locked down as we did - the risks to not "at risk" groups is absolutely minuscule


It's the "at risks" that need to stay home and lock down, the rest of the population needs to get on with earning money and paying tax to support them



they need to undo lock down fully asap now - getting school back 100% is essential which it looks like they are dong now as fast as practical (although school with unionised teachers don't seem in much of a rush to help !)

The Swedish experiment says different.

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

There probably won't be a vaccine. Your parents should get out there and enjoy the summer, being kept at home indefinitely will certainly do them no good physically and mentally, covid 'might' cause them a problem 'if' they catch a big enough dose of it.

Life is a risk and something will get them in the end.

I'm trying to take this view with my parents, both in their 80s and with some health conditions. They have decided they are off the leash now and that has to be their choice. As far as I'm aware they understand the implications of going shopping, but the hard fact is that there's feck all I can do to stop them anyway. They've both had long and comfortable lives... it's a bit stressful from this end though.

The Swedish experiment says different.

It's not over yet. Give it a couple of years and chance to sort out the various nations' death statistics to be sure how many died of cv19 or with cv19.

 

[Tarw Coch]

It will probably cause a small infection spike and as there was probably a lot of ethnic minority in the protest it will probably cause a small spike in deaths I reckon - if the protests had been all fit and healthy under 45's the stats say its would make no difference re deaths hardly at all - however it would increase infections and therefore herd immunity .............. and that's a GOOD thing for those in the at risk groups

Sounds like there was a bit of an experiment carried out in Manchester over the weekend with about 6000 youngsters attending a couple of raves. Be interesting to see if that makes any difference to the stats in 2 to 3 weeks time, as well as from the various protests that have been going on.
Only time will tell.

 

[Tarw Coch]

How disappointing to see at lunch time the news channels reporting that people are queueing round the block at: ........ Primark!

The majority of the clothing from Primark is sourced from factories in India, China, Bangladesh, Pakistan. We all know why; - cheaper labour, cheaper materials and cheaper infrastructure. All produced within Primark's 'strict code of conduct' to ensure employees rights are respected. In some of these areas Covid rates are still climbing steeply.

It's not just them. Many retailers source from the same areas, some others from eastern Europe and Turkey, some from Spain and Portugal. A pleasure to see all the lockdown 'savings' being spent at the lowest common denominator. I am not surprised, there isn't much alternative.

I just hope to God that when we get back to a 'normal' normal the rush for food is not a rush to the bottom again. Throughout the last 10 weeks, farm gates, farmers' markets and independent shops and suppliers have saved so much and so many with their efforts to continue supplying many 'new' customers who were unable to buy the simplest staple foods elsewhere.

Where are AHDB, NFU, DEFRA etc launching publicity and lobbying to keep those customers loyal?

I fear we may have learned nothing

HK

A lot was said a few weeks ago about how the world would be a different place after cv19, things were going to change,
I thought at the time things would go back to pretty much as they were before and that looks to be the case.

 

[DaveGrohl]

A lot was said a few weeks ago about how the world would be a different place after cv19, things were going to change,
I thought at the time things would go back to pretty much as they were before and that looks to be the case.

People innit. Inevitable.

 

[kiwi pom]

Wasn't aware they were available to the general public yet .

Available to anyone that wants to pay for it probably.

 

[kiwi pom]

I would agree with this , having no personal desire to go shopping again ever ?
But the stupidity of the British public is beyond bounds, my frail elderly neighbbours cannot wait to get together with their son and teenage grandchildren.
The news this morning was full of pictures of grannies hugging and kissing grandchildren they had not touched for months, do these people know nothing of infection control?
An interesting little fact which has missed most of the news outlets, from The infectious disease institute ( may not be its full totally correct name) which collates data across the UK on Infectious diseases. Apparently all Other infectious disease, has dropped by over 90% across the UK in the last 3 months, thanks to hygiene and lack of contact.This includes measles, mumps, rubella, norovirus etc.

There was something on the news here last night about the fact that many other bugs and flu's were down during lockdown and now that things are back to normal here (apart from the border) we really should keep up some of the hygiene and distancing practices to stay healthier in general. People already seem to be back to handshakes, hugging and coughing all over each other though.

 

[HolzKopf]

I'm not sure I get your point here ? today is the first day of none essential retail reopening - food shops have not been closed so no surprise there is no rush to "return" to them ?

Clive, my point was that as soon as the non-essential shops reopened, the public dash to the cheapest outlet despite knowing that the production emanates from countries that are still under increasing numbers of covid-19 cases and also, given the current 'slavery' revulsion, that these facilities are generally understood to have conditions of labour that would not be acceptable in the Western World

This to me points to the fact that as soon as doorstep deliveries by the supermarkets get back to normal i.e. no online queueing, plentiful supply of produce that still is currently unavailable or limited, the march will be back to where it was. Those smaller and local producers that have supported the masses with local, quality food, being sidestepped while the big four of Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's and Morrisons returning to 'feed the nation' to quote two of them. Why aren't the bodies that supposedly champion UK food production stepping in and banging our drum?

A lot was said a few weeks ago about how the world would be a different place after cv19, things were going to change,
I thought at the time things would go back to pretty much as they were before and that looks to be the case.

I'm sad if it does - there's enough anarchy around now without the possibility of a repeat of this, in whatever form, causing more shortages, loss of employment and small business failure. Sunak would need a different money tree next time

HK

 

[Devil's advocate]

If you didn't notice it's doubtful you've had it .

89% of under 50's who have had coronovirus will not know they have had it, no symtoms or very minor.

I was in close contact with part time helper who is a bus driver, riddling potatoes in & out of tractors totally irreposible for a week. He was ill for 5 weeks, I felt sweaty for a day, my 77 year old mother who kept bring drinks etc minor cold for 10 days.

 

[AnyOldName]

Apparently all Other infectious disease, has dropped by over 90% across the UK in the last 3 months, thanks to hygiene and lack of contact.This includes measles, mumps, rubella, norovirus etc.

I’ve been wondering about that as I’d expected it to happen, I don’t know much about biology but as far as I’m concerned, the immune system is much like most other functions, muscles etc, the more you use it the better it gets. If we’ve all had a reasonably long break from exposure to common bugs, are we going to get hit harder by them when we go back to normal? (or whatever normal will look like).

 

[Derrick Hughes]

they can use their common sense - anyone who thinks they are at risk should self isolate, those that don't shouldn't

I've had it, so has wife and kid most likely, didn't even notice, I'm not super fit and i'm 47 - there will always be a story but the stats show clearly now that white, fit under 60's are VERY rarely dying of C19

Common sense dont exist with many in this country , act like an idiot endanger their own life , then blame the government for being to slow at locking down , if people had used common sense lockdown would not have been needed

 

[lloyd]

Wasn't aware they were available to the general public yet .

Might have been one of those cheap home test kits from China ?

 

[Martin Holden]

Chap on R2 had emailed in to the Zoe Ball show saying how his wife was salivating at the chance to go to TK Maxx this morning.
Mind you, he was from Manchester

Dear God!! Life’s horizons are a strange thing. The last thing I want to do is queue for clothes! Probably have to mind when I need to later on this year

 

[Sid]

Only 70% any good apparently?

Bit like the tb test and we know what sort of mess that leaves in its wake!

 

[puppet]

its really not going to happen if you are not in a at risk group - look at the stats, it's fraction of a % for under 45's and that's including the "at risk" under 45's - take them out and the number is almost zero !



As I say protect and lock down those at risk ......... but not those there is basically no risk to, that's just silly !

Above what age would you lock down the population, or just men or black men and for how many years if there is no vaccine.
The structure of society means all generations have to mix

 

[Clive]

Above what age would you lock down the population, or just men or black men and for how many years if there is no vaccine.
The structure of society means all generations have to mix

I would use the data to answer that as should the government

certainly looks like under. 45 no risk, under 65 very minimal risk if fit, not overweight, ethnic minority or pre existing health issue

it would then be right to maintain that lockdown until either a vaccine or heard immunity of those not locked down reached a point where infection risk dropped significantly

the consequences of mixing at risks with the rest of the population right now is you moght kill them, so right now I can’t agree that all generations “have” to mix

what we must have however is a functional economy or we can not afford to care for or help anyone