Wondering if anyone else has had skinning claims on their malting barley contracts in North Scotland? Local merchant I deal with has been taking claims on anything over 4% which I'm really not happy about when the contract they provided me says no claims up to 8%. Any advice on what to do?
Skinning Claims
- Thread starter Hedger
- Start date
Have you phoned the merchant? Have got the same thing here. Contract with no claims up to 8%. First load skinnings @5.5%. Self billing came with £2/ton deducted and a note attatched saying between 4% and 8% £1/% and over 8% £2 per %. Phoned merchant and he said we would get the money refunded as a "mistake" had been made sending the notes out!!. contract at 8% still stands. Sounds like you will be dealing with the same merchant W.N. _
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Diablo by any chance?
We're definitely dealing with the same merchant. Spoke to office manager and he's quoted the same claim levels to me and also said they won't be refunding any claims on skinning. Quoted that other customers further South had seen refunds and he said that wasn't the case. Which rep are you dealing with? Really not happy now and will be changing where my barley goes as I'm tired of this behaviour from the so called "big names".
- Location
- Westish Suffolk
Not being very helpful here, but if the contract says in black and white no claims up to max 8%, they cant claim at under that %age.
No leg to stand on surely?
( careful, south coast merchants will be learning from this! )
No leg to stand on surely?
( careful, south coast merchants will be learning from this! )
Had bother with diablo here . Multi depth samples taken into bags with rep and last test was 2.8% for what would be the next load., then waggon goes to intake and jumps to 9.something% so get the call . Frustrating that lab and intake can be so wide apart. Asked to go in with a load to educate myself but got told intake too busy .
Can't help but feel the problem was the £175 a ton minimum contract I had , with 8% limit before deductions .
Found out yesterday , seemingly getting harvest price with deductions now so not a lot more than feed .
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Thing is there is barley everywhere this year but a lot of it is of dubious quality. Also we produce a commodity which is controlled by a few!
There has been very little correlation this year between samples and intake and even intake labs!
All our Diablo went one place and we had deductions for skinning. Laureate went two other places and one gave us deductions for screenings.
Thing is I feel like I've lost a lot of trust in this company, not mentioned on here yet and especially the rep who I've worked with for years .
First load in and get the call. Had the chat , they want the stuff so we started batch testing the samples for the following load but it's been a complete waste of time . I feel he basically told me what I needed to hear to keep loads going in .
Then the first price warning comes in the post so I call him and say surely I'm 175 less the deductions. ..... basically told oh it's just a standard type letter as we haven't decided pricing yet so again waggons keep rolling .
Few weeks with no loads until yesterday , the 2.8% sampled stuff . Waggon in , get the call so ask for price to be told harvest price with the deductions off . This is considerably less and would have been happier with it in my shed to sell as feed . I said to send it back and I'd get it independently tested but he said it was pointless as I wouldn't gain anything as it's their intake only that matters and they can even reject stuff for just not looking right .
Think next year throw another 20units N on and decide how I dry it on the day , gentle for malting or cooked fast for feed .
First load in and get the call. Had the chat , they want the stuff so we started batch testing the samples for the following load but it's been a complete waste of time . I feel he basically told me what I needed to hear to keep loads going in .
Then the first price warning comes in the post so I call him and say surely I'm 175 less the deductions. ..... basically told oh it's just a standard type letter as we haven't decided pricing yet so again waggons keep rolling .
Few weeks with no loads until yesterday , the 2.8% sampled stuff . Waggon in , get the call so ask for price to be told harvest price with the deductions off . This is considerably less and would have been happier with it in my shed to sell as feed . I said to send it back and I'd get it independently tested but he said it was pointless as I wouldn't gain anything as it's their intake only that matters and they can even reject stuff for just not looking right .
Think next year throw another 20units N on and decide how I dry it on the day , gentle for malting or cooked fast for feed .
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
I sometimes wonder if maltsters just pick a figure out of thin air for skinning etc.
Had 16 loads on contract this year. 8 loads to two different ones.
One came back with 6 under 2.5% skins and 2 at 4.5%.
The other has a £5 claim on 6 of his for skins at 8% or more.
All just loaded out the shed in whatever order the lorries came. One day there was 5 of them loaded time about to each merchant and yet one of them still managed to get all the high skin loads
Had 16 loads on contract this year. 8 loads to two different ones.
One came back with 6 under 2.5% skins and 2 at 4.5%.
The other has a £5 claim on 6 of his for skins at 8% or more.
All just loaded out the shed in whatever order the lorries came. One day there was 5 of them loaded time about to each merchant and yet one of them still managed to get all the high skin loads
lloyd
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
Talk about smelling a rat??
- Location
- Lincolnshire
If a few of you have the same 8 percent contract and are getting claims at under that, you should as a group go to a solicitor. Or all nip round to the counterparty to the contract for tea and a chat.
I take it you are dealing with the furthest north depot. Mine has been going into the middle one. If your load was under 8% and they have deducted you, you should have been told like me that you would be refunded the deductions. I havent got the money refunded yet but was told it would be. The man i deal with is one of the directors.
Chae1
Member
- Location
- Aberdeenshire
We've had the same with screenings, loading lorries out of same pile, same day different merchants. One 5% one 13%.
Never had one sample out of pile over 8.
Never had one sample out of pile over 8.
Yes, Got the refund a few weeks ago.
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