Spring wheat seed

[matttargett4]

so the fat lady has her book out and is drawing breath on winter wheat.

i dont have any spring wheat seed, im interested in buying some over priced spring feed wheat from someone in the south west, yes i will pay the royalty and have it cleaned but i wont be extorted for imported seed.

let me know what youve got

 

[BigBarl]

You’re only legal option is to buy some imported seed. Doing what you mention above is illegal.

 

[Flat 10]

You’re only legal option is to buy some imported seed. Doing what you mention above is illegal.

As you correctly point out. And as also been pointed out is unfair IF the royalties are paid correctly. IMO

 

[matttargett4]

sorry i was unaware of that

presumably the deal is its not saved from your farm so its not allowed?

 

[BigBarl]

sorry i was unaware of that

presumably the deal is its not saved from your farm so its not allowed?

yeah, I think the wording is something like ‘seed must be saved from the same holding’. So even large contract farming set ups can’t save seed across their clients. If you pay the royalty this year on stuff you have bought as feed from a neighbour and get an inspector asking for a copy of the invoice for certified seed the previous year it would take some explaining your way out of. For the sake of £150/ tonne difference over a few tonne it isn’t worth the risk imo - plus they will probably look for that type of thing in a year like this.

 

[DrWazzock]

I think it's pretty tight of them in a year like this when folk have bought certified seed and been stuck with it or its drilled and failed. Lost 25 acres of bought in rape seed myself, more the fool me for doing the right thing.
I'm squeaky clean by the way so no need for the threatening phone calls again. But from now on its all off the heap royalties paid, not bought in expensive rubbish.

With loss of seed dressings that were any use you would think seed prices would come down a bit but oh no, muggins the farmer has to absorb the cost and risk and failures yet again while everybody else in the chain just ups their prices a bit.

 

[Gone Shooting]

So long as the royalties are paid whats the problem ? Probably get more money in the long run.

 

[DrWazzock]

So long as the royalties are paid whats the problem ? Probably get more money in the long run.

I presume their argument is that moving home saved grain for seed from one farm to another increase the risk of spreading disease but if it's tested and cleaned and the royalties are paid on it then the disease risk is the farmer's own responsibility and will only bite him if there is a problem. The breeder has been compensated anyway so I too can't see a problem with it.

It's unreasonable IMO and does nothing to build trust through the system.

The number of times I have opened bags of certified seed to find what looks like shrivelled hinder ends and ergot makes me wonder about the real motivation behind the whole system anyway. On complaining you usually get told it passed the germination test so it's alright. Hmmm well maybe.

 

[wellingtonfarmer]

I’m looking to buy some spring wheat to feed to chickens, they only like single variety spring wheat if anyone has any in West Midlands?

 

[Honest john]

My lovey hens won’t touch winter wheat , fussy blighters.

 

[MrNoo]

passed the germination test

What is the min germination to pass the test, I thought I read somewhere it was circa 75% and also agree with you comments, I have received some utter rubbish in the past, my grain tailings have looked better out the drier than what I have received on occasion.

 

[glasshouse]

sorry i was unaware of that

presumably the deal is its not saved from your farm so its not allowed?

dont worry about the naysayers, just horse on.
i store seed for up to 5 yrs cos u never know

 

[glasshouse]

What is the min germination to pass the test, I thought I read somewhere it was circa 75% and also agree with you comments, I have received some utter rubbish in the past, my grain tailings have looked better out the drier than what I have received on occasion.

85

 

[glasshouse]

I think it's pretty tight of them in a year like this when folk have bought certified seed and been stuck with it or its drilled and failed. Lost 25 acres of bought in rape seed myself, more the fool me for doing the right thing.
I'm squeaky clean by the way so no need for the threatening phone calls again. But from now on its all off the heap royalties paid, not bought in expensive rubbish.

With loss of seed dressings that were any use you would think seed prices would come down a bit but oh no, muggins the farmer has to absorb the cost and risk and failures yet again while everybody else in the chain just ups their prices a bit.

its called a cartel

 

[matttargett4]

i wont be bothering to try my luck, if anybody would like to make threatening calls drop me a pm for the number!

i need output to feed my livestock so likely will go heavier on ryegrass and maize this yr then.

i may have a go with a couple of bags of spring wheat so i have some seed for another time.

to save me time looking does anybody know which merchants still have stock?

 

[DRC]

i wont be bothering to try my luck, if anybody would like to make threatening calls drop me a pm for the number!

i need output to feed my livestock so likely will go heavier on ryegrass and maize this yr then.

i may have a go with a couple of bags of spring wheat so i have some seed for another time.

to save me time looking does anybody know which merchants still have stock?

My understanding is it’s all been sold out long ago

 

[Barry]

There might be one or two merchants with spring wheat seed stock but it is most likely to be imported seed. Barley or oats will be cheaper.

On the issue of trading FSS between holdings and why it might not be allowed.

Currently anyone who wishes to trade seed has to hold a licence either for trading, either just bagged seed or a processors licence. In both cases if the seed supplied fails there are standards that the the supplier has to have supplied to and legally they are responsible. Ad hoc trading of grain/seed would have no standard or legal basis (as it stands) if the crop fails due to poor germination or some other issue.

 

[robbie]

There might be one or two merchants with spring wheat seed stock but it is most likely to be imported seed. Barley or oats will be cheaper.

On the issue of trading FSS between holdings and why it might not be allowed.

Currently anyone who wishes to trade seed has to hold a licence either for trading, either just bagged seed or a processors licence. In both cases if the seed supplied fails there are standards that the the supplier has to have supplied to and legally they are responsible. Ad hoc trading of grain/seed would have no standard or legal basis (as it stands) if the crop fails due to poor germination or some other issue.

What a joke. I'd like to see anyone get anything out of the trade if there seed failed. I'm sure the trade would have every excuse under the sun for why it's the farmers own fault and not the seed.

How many farmers got compensated when moulin went tits up?????? Non I expect and that was definitely not the farmers fault.

 

[teslacoils]

It's balls. I could buy four tons of spring malting barley and it would come as a single variety with a known germination. Through a mobile cleaner with colour sorter and that's the wild oats and other stuff out. Pay a little for a test of you want on top.

Neck out time now (I have enough barley and oat seed for this year) but in response to if the seed police are bothered...if you buy a few tons of crop X to (insert faux reason here) but actually dress and plant it, and you pay the royalties and don't get all huffy if it doesn't grow as you haven't tested it then the only way the bspb will get exciteable is if you shout about it in the pub or on here.

The flip side to "oooh the seed sellers are profiteering on our bad luck" is that when wheat gets to £249 on some poor country's weather bad luck, will I be selling my wheat under that and closer to my cop plus a small margin? Nope, I'll be taking the market price.

 

[Barry]

As I wasn't around in the seed trade when the legislation was drawn up I cannot confirm what all the abiding reasons were. (1964 Plant & Varieties Seed Act)
I was merely venturing an opinion, it is exactly the sort of logic that would have been used for having regulations. Plus to ensure that when someone sells you something called variety X, it is variety X.