time for ukraine to surrender?

[will l]

SHOULD RUSSIA SURRENDER TO UKRAINE, should be the question
80 years ago Britain stood alone against the nazi, against the odds we won, why not ukraine

 

[JP1]

But hey how much better their life is now that they have the choice to choose their own future, why should they have been forced to stay independent & out of NATO when they could have this predictable future!
So many idealists in this world who don't have to face the consequences.

You've just swallowed the Putin line and keep parroting it. Why the F'K shouldn't they join NATO, EU or decide otherwise? They're Sovereign and it's your mate who's busy pushing himself closer to NATO missiles and NATO is a defence organisation NOT an OFFENCE regime

 

[BrianV]

You've just swallowed the Putin line and keep parroting it. Why the F'K shouldn't they join NATO, EU or decide otherwise? They're Sovereign and it's your mate who's busy pushing himself closer to NATO missiles and NATO is a defence orhganisation NOT an OFFENCE regime

So what are they going to do now? Don’t parrot or pretend they will win because it just ain’t going to happen, there will be a ceasefire arranged by the Chinese & the Ukrainians will be forced to accept Russian control, thousands will have died needlessly & in the background the yanks will have blood on their hands. You can bet the CIA are shredding like hell as we write!

 

[BrianV]

SHOULD RUSSIA SURRENDER TO UKRAINE, should be the question
80 years ago Britain stood alone against the nazi, against the odds we won, why not ukraine

We won or we needed the help of the rest of the world? Seriously time to get real.

 

[JP1]

So what are they going to do now? Don’t parrot or pretend they will win because it just ain’t going to happen, there will be a ceasefire arranged by the Chinese & the Ukrainians will be forced to accept Russian control, thousands will have died needlessly & in the background the yanks will have blood on their hands. You can bet the CIA are shredding like hell as we write!

Let's wait and see. For now a long protracted guerrilla war with no overall winner but sanctions starting to really bite in Russia is my initial thought

If I was stuck over there I know who I think I would want covering my back and it would not be you !

 

[JP1]

We won or we needed the help of the rest of the world? Seriously time to get real.

We stood alone for a good while . The irony is that Hitler made the mistake of having a go at the Russians

 

[BrianV]

Let's wait and see. For now a long protracted guerrilla war with no overall winner but sanctions starting to really bite in Russia is my initial thought

If I was stuck over there I know who I think I would want covering my back and it would not be you !

Or you it would seem!

 

[BrianV]

We stood alone for a good while . The irony is that Hitler made the mistake of having a go at the Russians

Yep right up to Dunkirk!

 

[JP1]

Yep right up to Dunkirk!

Well your mates are discovering right now, no war is one straight line

 

[Muck Spreader]

Any intervention by NATO will increase Putins support. He will tell his people, “see I told you, this terrible group are fighting to stop us freeing our brothers in Ukraine’.
If Putin has a shoe in, he will increase his support and good dictator, PM or president knows there is nothing like winning an easy war, to gain public support.
as it is those Russian soldiers are texting home at this very moment, “Mum I am cold, I am hungry, it is nothing like they told us, they promised us a warm reception and crowds greeting us. They are killing my friends, and I do not know if I will come back”.
if they have a hard time there will be little enthusiam for what is certainly next on the list, the Baltic states

As far as I know they aren't texting anybody, they all had their phones taken off them at the start of the war.

 

[Lazy Eric]

We stood alone for a good while . The irony is that Hitler made the mistake of having a go at the Russians

Yeah if Hitler hadn’t invaded Russia we’d all be speaking German now! He massively underestimated their capabilities , resolve and of course the weather. Some pretty horrific war crimes were committed because of operation Barbarossa.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Seeing some talk around the possibility of undersea cables being cut, russian ship Yantar has already left port, it's been involved in suspicious activity in the vicinity of cables previously. I wonder have NATO any red lines around these cables

The Norwegians think the Russians are responsible for cutting one their cables just before Christmas and there has been lots of Russian activity over the sixteen trans Atlantic undersea cables in the last few months.

 

[Werzle]

Antony blinken for the next US president imo, would he being getting so much airtime if obama or trump was in charge during this crisis? Biden must be napping somewhere and blinken has stepped right up

 

[fudge]

If I were a Ukrainian I would be worried about NATO. It’s capability is underpinned by American military capability. In 1994 the USA was party to signing away Ukrainian nuclear weapons in order to make the USA a safer place. That over riding view still pertains in the Biden administration. Today the USA is a divided country. The current de facto leader of the opposition, Donald Trump, recently described Putin as a genius. I really question whether the USA can be regarded as a reliable ally.

 

[Exfarmer]

As far as I know they aren't texting anybody, they all had their phones taken off them at the start of the war.

they will be going home sometime, or some will
Remember Vietnam, Afghanistan and so many other wars, if the people are not whole heartedly behind it eventually it will wear the aggressor down

 

[Muck Spreader]

If I were a Ukrainian I would be worried about NATO. It’s capability is underpinned by American military capability. In 1994 the USA was party to signing away Ukrainian nuclear weapons in order to make the USA a safer place. That over riding view still pertains in the Biden administration. Today the USA is a divided country. The current de facto leader of the opposition, Donald Trump, recently described Putin as a genius. I really question whether the USA can be regarded as a reliable ally.

I don't know about being just Ukrainian, the whole of Europe should be concerned. The US has always been reluctant to get involved in European wars and there has always been strong public and political opposition in doing so. Fortunately for Europeans, we have always been blessed with a US president who at the time could always see the bigger picture and the longer term effects on the US of failing to deal with aggressors.

 

[wanton dwarf]

SHOULD RUSSIA SURRENDER TO UKRAINE, should be the question
80 years ago Britain stood alone against the nazi, against the odds we won, why not ukraine

You living in the 1940's ?

If the Nazi's had Nuclear Weapons the UK would have been a wasteland.

 

[caveman]

There's only one result coming from this "war".
The Iron curtain is drawn again.
30 years of increasing friendship and interaction between the peoples of Eastern and Western Europe has been flushed down the pan.
Ukraine will be little more than a wasteland.
Western Europe will have to accommodate 20 odd million displaced people, possibly more by the time Russia has secured the Ukraine and looked further west.
And all because the EU installed a puppet government and kept pushing to expand its Empire instead of just letting us all come together naturally. There are the people and then there are......
Fekkin politicians.

 

[caveman]

Oh.
And the USA calvalry have no interest in coming to the rescue.
Their eyes are on China.
Really, we needed Russia on our side against China. But that's blown now.

 

[le bon paysan]

Is that the average Russian?

There are very few average Russians in the uk . They had no freedom of movement to live or work and wouldn't qualify to live in the uk.