Times Leader

[primmiemoo]

I've come to the conclusion that your a bit weird!

Aw, you're an old softy, really

 

[delilah]

30% of city air pollution is from agriculture. Not cars, lorries, buses, airports but from farming.
How is that?

From memory, it is based on the fact that ammonia (from farms) reacts with exhaust emissions (from urban cars) to produce particulates/gases harmful to human health. So, you could argue that it is the vehicle emissions rather than the ammonia that needs tackling. But I guess that would upset more of the readership.

 

[DeeGee]

Best form of defence is attack. They see what’s happening elsewhere in Europe and are just trying to dampen public support with some preemptive stikes. Expect much more I would say.

That’s always been my motto!

If someone tries to put you on the back foot come straight back at them with a double offensive and keep up a relentless attack!

Works with anyone trying to score cheap points off you!
They expect a bumbling retreat or lame shuffling excuses. What they don’t expect is an instant and incessant counter attack!

Works with the wife as well up to a point. The shock factor will repel her initial attack.
But unlike 99% of opponents, any delay will quickly end with a ferocious counter attack and you have to leg it pretty damn quick to the pick up, thence to escape the inevitable and unrelenting artillery barrage that will have shells exploding in ever closer proximity as you disappear out of the yard in a cloud of dust.

 

[Exfarmer]

Strangely the article seems to have dissappeared off the website!

 

[Hindsight]

From memory, it is based on the fact that ammonia (from farms) reacts with exhaust emissions (from urban cars) to produce particulates/gases harmful to human health. So, you could argue that it is the vehicle emissions rather than the ammonia that needs tackling. But I guess that would upset more of the readership.

Yes. Studies (which maybe are wrong) indicate Ammonia moves over much greater distances than was thought - and I suspect definitely thought by farmers. Thus the focus on Ammonia emissions. Real problem for policy makers is how to reduce Ammonia emissions from manures in particular.

 

[Hindsight]

Strangely the article seems to have dissappeared off the website!

Does The Times switch to tomorrows editorial about 9pm GMT. As this is early morning in the South China Sea. Worldwide readership. I note that in the comment section at 6 am GMT there are usually quite a few comments from 9 or so hours earlier which would be 9pm GMT. The editorial will be available on the previous days editions (in past 6 days tab) but I think that doesn't switch until after 12pm GMT.

 

[yin ewe]

Let them eat cake

Let them eat woodchip

 

[SilliamWhale]

Aw, you're an old softy, really

I'm sure you are a very nice and sincere but I can't find anything to agree with you on at all. I just feel diametrically opposed to most of what you say.

 

[PSQ]

Stopped my subscription to the Times about 3 years ago when their journalism morphed into the usual UK tabloid clickbait bollox.
Now subscribe to The New York Times, because it's only £20 a year and it isn't written by narcissistic columnists Z list arse licking celebrity strokers.
Also read the Guardian (FoC), because even though they pay George Monbiot to toss off a weekly load of anti rural sophistry, they occasionally come out with some absolute gems of well crafted journalism like this:

‘Farming is a dirty word now’: the woman helping farmers navigate a grim, uncertain future

The long read: In a moment of crisis for the industry, Heather Wildman tours the country helping farmers face up to the toughest of questions – not just about the future of their business, but about their family, their identity and even their mortality

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hindsight]

Stopped my subscription to the Times about 3 years ago when their journalism morphed into the usual UK tabloid clickbait bollox.
Now subscribe to The New York Times, because it's only £20 a year and it isn't written by narcissistic columnists Z list arse licking celebrity strokers.
Also read the Guardian, because even though they pay George Monbiot to toss off a weekly load of anti rural sophistry, they occasionally come out with some absolute gems of in-depth journalism like this:

‘Farming is a dirty word now’: the woman helping farmers navigate a grim, uncertain future

The long read: In a moment of crisis for the industry, Heather Wildman tours the country helping farmers face up to the toughest of questions – not just about the future of their business, but about their family, their identity and even their mortality

www.theguardian.com

Do you chip in to the Guardian?

 

[neilo]

I'm sure you are a very nice and sincere but I can't find anything to agree with you on at all. I just feel diametrically opposed to most of what you say.

So she’s ‘weird’ because she holds a different view to you?

 

[PSQ]

Do you chip in to the Guardian?

Financially, not a penny. I would like I do for the NYT, but I wouldn't want to contribute to George Monbiots £60,769 salary.

I usually 'chip in' on the environmental articles if they open the comments section, to add a bit of nuance to their usually one sided and urban centric polarised viewpoint. Some reply with genuine questions, some with bilious dogma, but at least someone was putting the other side of the story across.
Up until 2019 their environment writers would frequently publish anti pesticide stories using a picture of a crop dusting plane because they know it really triggered their readers. I emailed the journalists and they seem to have stopped, but they still like to use pictures of crop sprayers at every opportunity, including their stock picture of 'man in wheat field with scary PPE and knapsack'

Guardian farming articles:

Farming | Environment | The Guardian

www.theguardian.com

Guardian scary pesticide articles:

Pesticides | Environment | The Guardian

www.theguardian.com

2nd pic and caption shows the depth of their understanding:

 

[Y Fan Wen]

The Tory Party has been overrun by what was once its lunatic fringe. The cognitive dissonance within it is detectable from space now it's allowed racists, liars, traitors, profiteers to hold actual government powers.

That is the UKIPification of the party since the referendum. The referendum was held to sideline UKIP. Instead UKIP took over the party.

 

[Exfarmer]

Does The Times switch to tomorrows editorial about 9pm GMT. As this is early morning in the South China Sea. Worldwide readership. I note that in the comment section at 6 am GMT there are usually quite a few comments from 9 or so hours earlier which would be 9pm GMT. The editorial will be available on the previous days editions (in past 6 days tab) but I think that doesn't switch until after 12pm GMT.

Normally the editorials and all thev old sections can be accessed by logging in and the last 6 days paper should be there

 

[puppet]

Yes. Studies (which maybe are wrong) indicate Ammonia moves over much greater distances than was thought - and I suspect definitely thought by farmers. Thus the focus on Ammonia emissions. Real problem for policy makers is how to reduce Ammonia emissions from manures in particular.

Regenerative farming. A short but interesting life.
RIP

 

[Simon Chiles]

From memory, it is based on the fact that ammonia (from farms) reacts with exhaust emissions (from urban cars) to produce particulates/gases harmful to human health. So, you could argue that it is the vehicle emissions rather than the ammonia that needs tackling. But I guess that would upset more of the readership.

This^ is the theory. Everyone seams to conveniently forget that some bright spark thought it was a good idea to inject ammonia into vehicle exhausts to reduce emissions, I wonder if that has had more of an impact than emissions from a cow pat travelling hundreds of miles.

 

[roscoe erf]

Read this leader in today’s Times … especially the sentence I have highlighted

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Aren’t you delighted that not only has the cost of living taken money out of ordinary folks pockets and put it in to ours but we are the source of all Britain’s pollution woes (or so you’d think reading this guff)? And this from a supposedly Tory rag .

And I wonder why I am getting increasingly angry as each day passes.

strokers

 

[roscoe erf]

Let them eat cake

Be Wood these days

 

[thorpe]

Read this leader in today’s Times … especially the sentence I have highlighted

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Aren’t you delighted that not only has the cost of living taken money out of ordinary folks pockets and put it in to ours but we are the source of all Britain’s pollution woes (or so you’d think reading this guff)? And this from a supposedly Tory rag .

And I wonder why I am getting increasingly angry as each day passes.

who the heck is the authorof that malicious dribble?

 

[britt]

3 billion to support food production.
3 billion spent a year on the British nuclear deterrent.
I'm not against having a nuclear deterrent, but I think food is more important and definitely more urgent.