tine drill options

[average farmer]

I'm considering building a tine drill and thought i might as well build something that in the right conditions would drill direct as well. Apart from the metcalf, weaving, dale is there anything else I should be looking at?

is there any kind of point that would fit a standard pig tail tine as i've a 5m pig tail drag i could convert , looking to fit a 4m 32 coulter hopper onto a 4.8 metre frame which should give me about 6 inch spacing's .

It would only be a back up/wet weather/direct drill so don't want to spend much as i might only be drilling 200 acres/year

 

[Bury the Trash]

I dont know what tine but Tslot formers / boots are the way to go for best seed environment ir.
disc openers as well mind, and in individual units not a tied together rank of discs like Aitchison have got.

But that's just theory and gut feeling mind, and patents and availiabilty comes in to it as well.of course .......

 

[Clive]

I'm considering building a tine drill and thought i might as well build something that in the right conditions would drill direct as well. Apart from the metcalf, weaving, dale is there anything else I should be looking at?

is there any kind of point that would fit a standard pig tail tine as i've a 5m pig tail drag i could convert , looking to fit a 4m 32 coulter hopper onto a 4.8 metre frame which should give me about 6 inch spacing's .

It would only be a back up/wet weather/direct drill so don't want to spend much as i might only be drilling 200 acres/year

Bourgault VOS - i‘ve tried metcalife, Dutch and my own design but the Vos are the best so far, the 19mm single shot was unstoppable in the wet this year

 

[Bury the Trash]

Bourgault VOS - i‘ve tried metcalife, Dutch and my own design but the Vos are the best so far, the 19mm single shot was unstoppable in the wet this year

Look expensive, but will they easily fit an ordinary hd pigtail tine ?

 

[average farmer]

I dont know what tine but Tslot formers / boots are the way to go for best seed environment ir.
disc openers as well mind, and in individual units not a tied together rank of discs like Aitchison have got.

But that's just theory and gut feeling mind, and patents and availiabilty comes in to it as well.of course .......

I to thought the Sim tech would be about the best but after having a word with them yesterday that seems to be a no go

 

[soilsaver]

Is that because they will not supply parts for you to use in your own build.

 

[average farmer]

Is that because they will not supply parts for you to use in your own build.

that’s right,

I’m thinking the weaving tines are looking the best option atm .

 

[Hereward]

that’s right,

I’m thinking the weaving tines are looking the best option atm .

How do you buy spare points and replace broken legs/springs then?

You could be the second owner of a drill?

 

[Wombat]

I am about to order some weaving sabre tines for a home build

 

[Wombat]

that’s right,

I’m thinking the weaving tines are looking the best option atm .

I always think thats a very narrowminded idea. They could get 2k+ of tines out the sale for putting them on a pallet vs nothing

 

[average farmer]

I always think thats a very narrowminded idea. They could get 2k+ of tines out the sale for putting them on a pallet vs nothing

I was expecting more like £100 per unit which would make it over 3k

 

[average farmer]

I am about to order some weaving sabre tines for a home build

sounds interesting would you keep us updated how it goes.

 

[Wombat]

sounds interesting would you keep us updated how it goes.

Yes the pile of bits and steel is getting larger its going to be a 3m with front hopper. I wanted 4m but don;t have time to build a folding frame with kids under my feet so will make a 3m fixed then if it works make a folding 4m later

 

[ih1455xl]

https://www.guilbart.com/guilbart/semi/tdrill/piecestdrill.pdf

 

[average farmer]

They look pretty good and like they would fit straight onto our pigtail drag . I’ll have to have a better look on the desktop and see about getting some prices.

 

[clbarclay]

1" pigtail tines are not heavy duty when arable direct drilling. I have steadily gone through all my spares and will change to 30x30mm tines.

6" row spacing is pretty narrow. I'm at 8.5" and it seems like a fair compromise, but it can still block up in some circumstances. It's easy enough to get different distribution heads and reducers for accords.

I'm using Bourgault knife openers, which have worked well enough. I strongly advise going tungsten tips on any coulter for direct drilling. The first set I had weren't, rounded off fairly quickly and then didn't penitrate well.

With a pigtail cultivator, the spacing between front and rear tines can be rather more than on time direct drills. I tried mine with roller behind the tines, but on uneven ground, the distance between the roller and from tines was far too much and depth control was terrible. Depth wheels in amongst the tines have been far better.

 

[average farmer]

Having thought a bit about the pig tails I don't think its a goer, too much flex and seed placement will be compromised. I think I'd struggle to sell coulters off if they did't work. i think I have to go down the route of a mainstream company or buy a cheap second hand drill that won't lose shed loads of money if it dos't work out for us

 

[clbarclay]

I don't find there is much issue with tine flex affecting seed depth. With the point under the coulter, most of that movement is horizontal. I reckon The rigid frame is much more of an issue with uneven depth. I still hanker after a seed hawk, but particularly for shallow planting, a good disc drill has been a better investment.

 

[Bury the Trash]

depth controls one thing but the little shelf / ledge with bit loose soil nice environs to drop the seed on it is the ideal , with a drainage bit below thats what discs set up will lack. drilling cant always be done in perfect conditions .some soils will need help to crumble.