Triton direct seed drill

[R J H]

Well I'm really glad to have seen the video as I wondered where I was going wrong. Obviously the low draft route is flawed so I'm going to put a bigger tractor on the drill and leave the handbrake on to make sure I use enough grunt to get higher yields. Thank you Triton.

not the point late drilling greatly reduces blackgrass numbers what drill can drill late with low weight and no compaction !

 

[R J H]

To be honest Simon Chaplin talks sense when he says forget growing half barns full of spring linseed , spring oats , etc and concentrate on drilling wheat and rape .
They make money, it might not be touchy feely or even in the best interests of the soil ,environment but crops losing money ,
I would rather be making money and not be "Sustainable" than broke ,

Drilling wheat into wet cold snot in December is not the cleverest idea , but it showed the concept

Now whether his drill and coulter are the answer I dont know , but cold hard facts , 1.7 t acre of spring oats , 1.3 t acre of winter beans .0.8 t acre of spring beans DO not make me money.

PS I met him at Groundswell on his stand , hes not a friend or colleague , I dont own his drill , or have shares in AminoA,

yes simon talks sense I am taking delivery of a triton, it is growing very profitable crops and been SUSTAINABLE at the same time

 

[Clive]

What’s the difference between mauled in late winter wheat and a decent crop of spring wheat when it comes to gross margin or blackgrsss ?

Output or margin ? I focus on margin personally as matched to an appropriate fixed cost structure that’s what becomes profit

 

[R J H]

some of my land will drill in dec:jan :and feb:and give good yeilds with little blackgrass. drilled 9th nov this year best part of field did 10 tons ha the thin limestone part did 2 tons ha due to drought only 2ha out of 16ha av: 8 tons ha.and no blackgrass did put 1 tramline of ameno a on and got 0.25 tons ha yield increase from one late app: should have put 3 on from start

 

[R J H]

What’s the difference between mauled in late winter wheat and a decent crop of spring wheat when it comes to gross margin or blackgrsss ?

Output or margin ? I focus on margin personally as matched to an appropriate fixed cost structure that’s what becomes profit

was to late to drill spring wheat this year no margin on 2.5 tons ha, big yield gives best margin, high input big margin grain store full this year

 

[Clive]

was to late to drill spring wheat this year no margin on 2.5 tons ha, big yield gives best margin, high input big margin grain store full this year

Depends upon the magnitude of fixed cost structure needed to service that max output system. Many farmers are married to the high output system (treadmill) as they have massive fixed costs to cover

Fixed costs have far more influence on profitability than variable costs usually

For example a farmer that goes from 100% winter cropping to 50/50 winter /spring can prety much cut his fixed costs / ha in half as he needs half the infastructre (machinery and labour) he used to or double his acres without need for any additional machinery or labour

 

[T Hectares]

not the point late drilling greatly reduces blackgrass numbers what drill can drill late with low weight and no compaction !

Mauling in crops on clay in December with no compaction, does this drill come with some sort of gravity defying ability ????

Nonsense, it will bite you on the arse eventually just as much as your beloved addiction to WW and OSR already has.

 

[mikep]

not the point late drilling greatly reduces blackgrass numbers what drill can drill late with low weight and no compaction !

I prefer other ways of fighting blackgrass to mud plugging with high horse power tractors.

 

[principal skinner]

was to late to drill spring wheat this year no margin on 2.5 tons ha, big yield gives best margin, high input big margin grain store full this year

Bet low N spring barley gives a better margin.

They’ve done a very good sales pitch on you.

 

[R J H]

I prefer other ways of fighting blackgrass to mud plugging with high horse power tractors.

I prefer other ways of fighting blackgrass to mud plugging with high horse power tractors.

good drainage not mud I drill nov dec good seed rate, last year 9th nov winter wheat no black grass, end of sept wheat black grass
and big spray bill, this year spring barley and spring beans, peas a washout

 

[R J H]

Depends upon the magnitude of fixed cost structure needed to service that max output system. Many farmers are married to the high output system (treadmill) as they have massive fixed costs to cover

Fixed costs have far more influence on profitability than variable costs usually

For example a farmer that goes from 100% winter cropping to 50/50 winter /spring can prety much cut his fixed costs / ha in half as he needs half the infastructre (machinery and labour) he used to or double his acres without need for any additional machinery or labour

high inputs must have high output and good land to do it, if not 50 -50 low input best for poor land mix and match to field and condition only the best crops should have high inputs 10 ha plus leave big margin,match inputs to the crop at spring this year no T3 still big yield feed to crop output

 

[britt]

I saw one of these working at the weekend.
For a 6 meter rigid machine the depth was surprisingly even.
While I agree with many of the comments above about planning to drill wheat so late I think that a drill to go later than others in autumn or earlier in spring has a place. To help widen the rotation rather than doing the same a bit differently.
I have had 3 years of poor spring bean crops because of wet weather delaying drilling. Often in spring the ground is couple of days off being ready for the disc drill, the surface is fit but the ground at bean depth is sticky enough to pick up on the inside of the disc and jam or clog it or lift the seed out. Then it rains and it is a couple of weeks before you get another chance, then it stays dry and the seed is slow to germinate or the slot opens up making it even worse.
It is all very well saying that you should not be on the ground in less than ideal conditions, but you can't pay the bills on half a crop.
There is big difference between "not quite fit" and "far too wet".
The side closing of the slot is the advantage of this machine. No compressing of the soil above to impede the seedlings growth and no press wheel or covering tine to clog up. You can always roll after if you wish, if conditions allow.
The one that I saw working was at rape depth on lightly disced ground and covered the seed well.
The lack of independent depth control was the only flaw that I could see, but this was not an issue in this instance.
The farm in question had 1000 acres and this was the only drill that they used, replacing a Claydon. They grew wheat, rape and beans (and probably others) on a stoney clay soil.
I went there wondering if I could justify it as second drill and came away thinking that it should be the only drill that I need. Jury's still out.

 

[R J H]

I saw one of these working at the weekend.
For a 6 meter rigid machine the depth was surprisingly even.
While I agree with many of the comments above about planning to drill wheat so late I think that a drill to go later than others in autumn or earlier in spring has a place. To help widen the rotation rather than doing the same a bit differently.
I have had 3 years of poor spring bean crops because of wet weather delaying drilling. Often in spring the ground is couple of days off being ready for the disc drill, the surface is fit but the ground at bean depth is sticky enough to pick up on the inside of the disc and jam or clog it or lift the seed out. Then it rains and it is a couple of weeks before you get another chance, then it stays dry and the seed is slow to germinate or the slot opens up making it even worse.
It is all very well saying that you should not be on the ground in less than ideal conditions, but you can't pay the bills on half a crop.
There is big difference between "not quite fit" and "far too wet".
The side closing of the slot is the advantage of this machine. No compressing of the soil above to impede the seedlings growth and no press wheel or covering tine to clog up. You can always roll after if you wish, if conditions allow.
The one that I saw working was at rape depth on lightly disced ground and covered the seed well.
The lack of independent depth control was the only flaw that I could see, but this was not an issue in this instance.
The farm in question had 1000 acres and this was the only drill that they used, replacing a Claydon. They grew wheat, rape and beans (and probably others) on a stoney clay soil.
I went there wondering if I could justify it as second drill and came away thinking that it should be the only drill that I need. Jury's still out.

just taken delivery of my new Triton drill, the drill is working very well ,still working out the r d s box must have very accurate scales to calibrate the rds box for oil seed rape,you are right in your thoughts on the drill, it will give you great flexibility in the timings of your planting early or late in the year a week makes all the difference in a good or poor crop will drill part field with Triton drill the other part with my old drill to test establishment of oil seed rape.With my old drill i drilled oil seed rape 19 days ago after 12mm of rain its still not showing will report on this later and let you know which gave best establishment.

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

@R J H how is your drilling going? Do you have any pictures of progress to share with us interested folk?

 

[R J H]

@R J H how is your drilling going? Do you have any pictures of progress to share with us interested folk?

re- drilled my rape with triton into dust in hope of rain, drill 12th sept 1st rape is just showing, going to get rain tomorrow ?drilled 1st rape after 12mm of rain 22nd aug none emerged, it was drilled with kverneland s-drill,

 

[R J H]

just had 38mm of rain from 2 till 6 the tramline drilled with kvernland s-drill is like sloppy rice pudding from dust to pudding in 4 hour's the triton drilled rape is draining through well down the slot,no standing water not like rice pud, this morning some rape was showing, some still not germinated in dust, will the rice pudding set like concrete ? time will tell?potato rows half full of water just started pouring down again. not able to down load pic's from phone to computer at moment not compatible I have a tuff phone will send to i-phone and whats app, will not to pictures file to up load.

 

[R J H]

Managed to post a picture of the drill.link above

 

[Shutesy]

Managed to post a picture of the drill.link above

The link didn't work so I have taken it down, have you managed to send your pictures from your tough phone to your iphone?

 

[R J H]

The link didn't work so I have taken it down, have you managed to send your pictures from your tough phone to your iphone?

it was not my I phone try and find new way to link. the tuff phone has been in tank of water and dropped from high still work as it should. 49 mm of rain yesterday.

 

[Shutesy]

it was not my I phone try and find new way to link. the tuff phone has been in tank of water and dropped from high still work as it should. 49 mm of rain yesterday.

If you can get on the internet on your tough phone then you can upload the picture to this thread from your phone. Bit difficult to know exactly what you can do without knowing what phone you have. If you could send the pictures to your iphone that would probably make life easier. You dont want to be trying to find a way to 'link' your pictures to here ,they need to be uploaded using the 'upload a file' button next to the 'post reply' button underneath where you enter your text when posting on a thread.