Untreated Seed
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Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
All our spring barley was untreated. Just bagged off heap. Best yields we've ever had.
Just get it tested properly first.
Just get it tested properly first.
Good to hear, did you bang the rate up to compensate?
yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
As a rule do not treat wheat seed
Keep ears open on disease levels
High hagburg wheat has good germination
Try not to used dried grain heat can damage seed
20 12 had treated seed but used only half
2000 treated seed was used in 2001
Treated seed takes a day longer to emerge
Usually try to use wheat grown from treated new seed from a clean field
Keep ears open on disease levels
High hagburg wheat has good germination
Try not to used dried grain heat can damage seed
20 12 had treated seed but used only half
2000 treated seed was used in 2001
Treated seed takes a day longer to emerge
Usually try to use wheat grown from treated new seed from a clean field
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- the brecks norfolk
Is your agro also the chap who's selling the seed if so that'll be why. According to anyone selling the stuff untreated ffs is the work of the devil and you'll be doomed if you so much as even think about it.
On the other hand I've been using untreated fss for ages and I haven't had any problems, just be sensible about what you keep for seed.
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
Yes i did slightly.
I'd some new seed too that was treated. It took a week longer to come through than untreated.
My agronomist was equally sceptical about not treating it. His company used to dress/treat it.
Pebd99
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- Aberdeenshire
Have sown for many years with untreated seed. Never notice much difference compared to new seed either.
deleted user 837354
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Untreated emerges far faster. More so than 1 day I can tell you that. Have to get it tested though.
Your agronomist clearly doesn’t know his head from his arse.
Sack him first thing you do today and get one that doesn’t like spending YOUR money.
And you don’t need to get it tested if untreated. Just sow a robust seed rate. Seeds very cheap off the heap.
snipe
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- west yorkshire
What should it be tested for apart from germination?.
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- S E Glos
In trials we continually home saved and re-sowed untreated wheat. Disease started to appear in year 4 and was unusable by year 7. Barley breaks down slightly quicker though.
Assumes you get it tested and don't try and muddle it into porridge in late November.
Assumes you get it tested and don't try and muddle it into porridge in late November.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Can you clarify please for benefit of readers - me really
You say disease (in a generic sort of way) which diseases? I had understood of the two key diseases Bunt is 'hereditary' and may or may not increase with number of years saved without treatment. Fusarium which may or may not affect establishment is an annual issue primarily related to weather around flowering - wet = fusarium, dry = none. Of the two fusarium less of an issue - unless mauled into awet cold field in December! Now Bunt - I have seen a case of bunt and not pretty - totally unsalable and grain stank of rotting fish.
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- Mid Norfolk
We haven't had any seed treated since the '80s. We up the seed rate and grow specific plots within a field for saving where we are a bit more fastidious about weed and disease control - even going to the hassle of getting some young lads or ladies to walk the plot and pull anything rogue. We also renew the seed regularly so it's never more than 3 generations on from new seed.
That's the plan anyway, but this is farming so plans go to sh!te quite often. We have been caught by disease carry over and poor germination on several occasions but once you start testing each batch and adding treatment to FSS your costs are close to the shiny bags of new stuff.
That's the plan anyway, but this is farming so plans go to sh!te quite often. We have been caught by disease carry over and poor germination on several occasions but once you start testing each batch and adding treatment to FSS your costs are close to the shiny bags of new stuff.
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- north yorks
get it fully tested to ensure germination i.e 10 day test seed standard is 85% id be surprised if the germ wasnt over 95, dont dry grain destined for seed but keep aerated, and harvest below 17%, follow the same standards as a certified seed crop when growing and do not use seed from any crop that has had ear disease or has blackgrass or any resistant weed burden and clean hard.A lot of seed in the the seed plants is certified prior to chemical dressing and some years the only reason for applying chem would be to lift the germ above min standard , you are only putting the chemical on to prevent soil born disease so if you havnt that threat /history less risk, done properly you should have no problem though the savings other than cashflow and 1/2 rate royalty payments are not that great when taking time and effort into account for more than a few tons
deleted user 837354
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Seed borne disease. It's not huge money to have seed tested, I would hate to think someone would go to the expense of drilling hundreds of acres and then have less that ideal results.
Obviously seed should be kept from the cleanest field which is treated a bit differently in terms of weeds/fungicide etc.
Any crop that showed any signs of problems during the season I would not keep seed from.
At least with farm saved seed you know the history of it.
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- S E Glos
First to appear were loose smut and leaf stripe in barley, and loose smut and bunt in wheat. Not for several years though.
Most of the manufacturers' data on seed borne disease control comes from working with heavily infected seed lots.
As said, you have to be prepared to treat though. No-one needed to test seed to know that they shouldn't be sowing untreated following the 2012 harvest!
l'ordinary bonville
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- N Yorks
If not treating the seed do the posters here advocate cleaning it at all or just taking from heap?
If the latter how do you get it to the field and in the drill?
Have taken from the heap myself if I’ve run out of seed but it’s always a mess on
If the latter how do you get it to the field and in the drill?
Have taken from the heap myself if I’ve run out of seed but it’s always a mess on
Compensate for what exactly? Seed dressings slow establishment, not the other way around. How do you think seed survives in nature??? It doesn't become extinct just because it isn't painted red with expensive insurance chemistry. Your agronomist needs a slap or the sack.
Do test your seed though. I asked for undressed C2 seed but the certification protocols do not allow for disease testing because the trade always treat it regardless, for f*cks sake!
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Whether you clean it or not depends on how clean you think it is and your logistics. I get mine cleaned and bagged because I don't have the means to dig it off the heap and chuck it in the hopper. I'd rather have it in 1/2 tonne bags and cleaned hard so only the best most plump grains are used & any weeds are removed. There's nothing wrong with getting it off the heap but you'd want to know what you're doing & have a good sample. My osr is tested only. The metering unit of my cereal drill will handle a few pods & bits of straw so I don't bother cleaning that. Micro feed rollers on small seeders will need very clean seed if you want to avoid blockages.
Something like this could be made on farm without too much expense. Bags and seed dressings are a UK thing - most other countries use hoppers & augers, and are wiser about being ripped off by the trade!!
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- Aberdeenshire
Any merit in the trace element treatments?