What exactly do you want?

[betweenthelines]

Farming and farmers seem to be under attack from several sides at the moment.

Vegans wanting no more "exploitation" of farmed animals. People wanting more access to the Countryside. Environmentalists wanting fewer carbon emissions. Pressure on the Urban fringe. Farmland should be utilised in flood prevention. Rewilding. The list seems endless.

But isn't it about time all these groups and individuals who make so much noise, told everyone what they really want?

For example, do vegans want all cattle pigs, sheep, horses etc to be slaughtered, never to roam the world again. Do people want free and unrestricted access to land all over the Country-including their own suburban gardens, so anyone may have a BBQ in anyone else's garden? And why are the vast areas of moorland and coastline not enough? If the Environmental lobby are determined to reduce the Planet's carbon emissions, are they they same people wringing their hands over job losses in tourism and air travel? Do the proponents of rewilding want bison polecats and wolves running free over the whole country, killing a few pets as they go, or do they just want to rewild certain areas, which is not actually rewilding, it's just making a very big zoo.

It's about time all the "we want" groups were challenged to say exactly what it is they want and just as importantly how they think it should be achieved.

 

[Bury the Trash]

but they don't know what they want, its all clever ideas and clever talk , then as time passes ( not long ) along comes boredom and move on to the next perceived to be 'cool' thing.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

They obviously want to starve.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Their 'wants' would be a whole lot different if farmers weren't growing what they needed

shame we couldn't all organise a decent strike

 

[Northeastfarmer]

People are never satisfied and even if they had everything they’d want something different

 

[milkloss]

Farming and farmers seem to be under attack from several sides at the moment.

Vegans wanting no more "exploitation" of farmed animals. People wanting more access to the Countryside. Environmentalists wanting fewer carbon emissions. Pressure on the Urban fringe. Farmland should be utilised in flood prevention. Rewilding. The list seems endless.

But isn't it about time all these groups and individuals who make so much noise, told everyone what they really want?

For example, do vegans want all cattle pigs, sheep, horses etc to be slaughtered, never to roam the world again. Do people want free and unrestricted access to land all over the Country-including their own suburban gardens, so anyone may have a BBQ in anyone else's garden? And why are the vast areas of moorland and coastline not enough? If the Environmental lobby are determined to reduce the Planet's carbon emissions, are they they same people wringing their hands over job losses in tourism and air travel? Do the proponents of rewilding want bison polecats and wolves running free over the whole country, killing a few pets as they go, or do they just want to rewild certain areas, which is not actually rewilding, it's just making a very big zoo.

It's about time all the "we want" groups were challenged to say exactly what it is they want and just as importantly how they think it should be achieved.

very good point, get them to say what they want and then calmly point out how moronic their ideas really are.

 

[egbert]

They want to feel good about themselves, but when you live in a concrete jungle, with a life filled with waste and consumption (plastic/fossil fuels, not TB). They hear David Attenborough et al pointing out how their lifestyles are destroying the planet, and know in their hearts that it's their own actions....but would rather blame someone else.

It must be those pesky farmers out in the countryside.
Lets make them XXXXXX (fill in whichever trend they've swallowed whole this week)

 

[shelly reynolds]

They obviously want to starve.

Lets hope so because i won't go hungry. They'll be gone a longtime before me then we can get back to were we are.

 

[Vader]

Nfu should be pointing out the flaws in their ideas.
But then again when have the nfu ever done anything like that?
It's why I stopped being a member.
Not paying for something that does not do its job.

 

[redsloe]

Headline in our local newspaper on Friday.
By the time our CS application gets passed it will be uncool again!

 

[Christoph1945]

Alas, they all want fulfilling, filling to the full and have tried silver and gold, cars and guns, money and sex, etc,etc, etc but they still have that gnawing need and think that the power to force others to fall in line with their ideas and thinking will satisfy their needs; you see it every day with our politicians and others in positions of power.

If they could accept that it is what it is and concentrate on true service to others they would then discover contentment and leave farmers to get on with farming and feeding our nation; something that farmers have done for generations, with very little recognition from the rest of the nation.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Headline in our local newspaper on Friday.
By the time our CS application gets passed it will be uncool again!

Does Ron Bendell still write in there ? havnt bought it for ages tbh

 

[Vader]

Headline in our local newspaper on Friday.
By the time our CS application gets passed it will be uncool again!

All these articles talk like we not really trying to get the maximum yield.

Do they think we only go for low production?

 

[betweenthelines]

Public wants "sustainable farming"

Grass turns sunlight into food for livestock which turn it into milk and meat, while their dung helps the grass to grow.

Please tell us farmers how you think it can be more sustainable than that.

Public wants "natural" food--see above

Public wants less use of pesticides and drugs in farming

So, when there's a covid vaccine, you'll refuse it. And you don't wash your hands, use hand sanitiser or disinfectant? And when you are ill, you've never asked a Doctor to treat you?

 

[Goweresque]

For example, do vegans want all cattle pigs, sheep, horses etc to be slaughtered, never to roam the world again.

No they want someone else to keep them there looking nice, but not have to pay for that.

Do people want free and unrestricted access to land all over the Country-including their own suburban gardens, so anyone may have a BBQ in anyone else's garden?

No, as with taxes, they want someone else to suffer the detriment, and get the benefit themselves.

And why are the vast areas of moorland and coastline not enough?

People are lazy.

If the Environmental lobby are determined to reduce the Planet's carbon emissions, are they they same people wringing their hands over job losses in tourism and air travel?

People are hypocritical. And capable of holding several contradictory ideas in their heads at one time, often without realising it. I'd hazard a guess that people who are the most 'eco-friendly' probably have larger than average carbon footprints. Eco-freakery goes with wealth, you don't worry about the planet too much when your biggest worry is your next meal, or keeping a roof over your head.

Do the proponents of rewilding want bison polecats and wolves running free over the whole country, killing a few pets as they go, or do they just want to rewild certain areas, which is not actually rewilding, it's just making a very big zoo.

As above they like the idea of it somewhere else, but not in their back garden.

You can sum up most of modern political discourse as an extended 'I want to have my cake and eat it' rant.

 

[Red Fred]

I can't help thinking that a Martian, watching the world's affairs through his telescope, would think that the end of the current civilisation was nigh, when the population turns on its farmers and vilifies those who are producing its food. It must be the ultimate 1st world problem.

 

[M-J-G]

It's a case of NIMBY

People want all the rights and none of the responsibility.
Ask for this and ask for that, but as soon as you ask details about how you implement any of their plans or suggest a knock on effect you are accused of being right wing, sexist, racist, of some other bullsh1t snowflake accusation.

 

[toquark]

"They" generally fall into two categories;

1) Hardline socialists bent on installing marxism by undermining all of our institutions and accepted realities. They have never convinced the the electorate or managed to instigate a workers revolution so must now resort to more underhand tactics. They are clever but rather few in number.
2) The useful idiots used by the above to jump on every bandwagon going, gleefully pulling down statues and attacking the sensible majority for their (until yesterday) accepted life choices. They are greater in number and mainly made up of naive, narcissistic but social media savvy under 30s. Much of the main stream media also falls into this category.

As to what they want? Simple. Communism.

 

[DaveGrohl]

I've just watched BBC's Click programme from the weekend because there was an interesting piece on pumped hydro in Wales. But the second half of the programme turned into a flatout propaganda film by the vegans within the BBC. The utter garbage they were coming out with as "facts" were embarrassingly shameful. The lying was off the charts. Hey ho, the more they bullsh1t people the more they'll make them angry once they work out it's all a crock of sh1t. I did chuckle when they eventually said that one particular burger substitute was £2000/kg. I can just picture the queues at McDs now.....

 

[johnspeehs]

Well one thing that is for sure, if we had been depending on the vegans feeding us over the last few months we would have less time to think about all the latest fads and more time to wonder where our next decent meal was coming from