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Discussion in 'Direct Drilling Crops & Agronomy' started by warksfarmer, Sep 10, 2017.
The irony is we will have more glyphosate in our food if it is banned
You see the volunteers behind some of the bigger combines and getting in straight behind with a drill would produce a descent cover? Timing & resources available may prove an issue.
Err . . .
No they don't !
We are starting to have big issues of resistance after 30 + yrs of glyphosate. Big dollars here, but the chem companies all say no alternatives or magic bullets on the horizon - just better / different formulations, wettest, adjuvants etc.
Well I hate to say it and really thought it couldn't really happen but a ban looks like reality to me now - recent meetings with a couple who are close to this and they seem to think we will loose it, German vote is what it all hinges upon and they are very green lobby influenced, even if they abstain we loose it as I understand the situation
price rise on glyphosate this week as farmers start to stock up
not sure what the best way forward will be for my farming system, my posts earlier in this thread maybe the best option :-( shame as i love farming
Might be able to make multi pass shallow tillage work, not even going to consider a return to the plough as although agronomically it may work whats the point if financially it doesn't
The environmental lobby won't be satisfied until the people start to starve.
Post-Brexit why do we need to ban it, are the EU proposing to ban imports from the rest of the world who will continue using it?
it would be great to see our government stand up to Europe and say bollocks to any ban
I wont hold my breath though !
I think this could put UK combinable crop ag out of business, all those tillage trains and quadrics cultivator drills are worthless if this happens
a few will return to the plough but I really cant see how prices can sustain that kind of high fixed cost farming
multi pass shallow till and ULD drilling might work but not for anyone with blackgrass or other significant grassweed issue, those farms have had it re combinable crops even if they do plough again
What time scale do you expect in this ban coming into place?
i think the vote is in november ??
I guess any ban wouldn't be instant though
Worrying with Brexit / reduced or zero subsidy and greatly increased cost base - cereal farming is buggered unless some other herbicide is made economically available to take its place. Boarding on a farce really with how the rest of the world farm c.Chemical wise.
I can't see how they can ban glypho without a rise in food prices, and I can't see a government accepting that?
it will just be imported from countries where glypho isn't banned and a lot of silly UK farmers will just carry on regardless with higher fixed cost structure and make even less than they do now subsidising food production from there asset wealth
food prices wont rise
But where will all the wheat come from to cover the shortfall in European production as grassweeds take a hold?
What can the government do?
We are currently bound by E.U. law and can you imagine the ill informed public outcry if it was reintroduced after we leave europe?
The anti glyphosate band wagon is gaining some real momentum now.
What do they mean y glyphosate as a drying agent?
pre harvest ? I have said from the start that this should have been whet we conceded - I know its not what anyone wanted but its better than the higher risk of loosing it all together
I suggested this in a thread a year or so ago on here to Mr Smith but he wasn't having it and was "all in" which IMO is a wreckless negotiation strategy (not that anyone in power is listening to the NFU on this anyway)
the rest of the world - there is a lot of it
Yes of course, i googled it after. Drying agent Sounded more sinister than that
The old way of weed control was a summer till. Burn lots if diesel over the summer loosing a harvest tractor to cultivation and let the hot dry weather kill of anything that grows. All well and good unless it rains every 3 days like the past few summers then your just encouraging more weeds to grow and not reducing them.
Correct me if I am way out of line here but the problem I see with glyphosate is guys down south that are infested with blackgrass putting 4 or 5 applications a year of 4l/ha glyphosate on the same patch of ground which is bound to get into the water supply etc. We put on 1l/ha pre harvest to speed things on and tidy the land up for the next crop and we are getting the blame.