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Wheat drilling

Timbo1080

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Location
Somerset
Or not at all.....this had 4lts generic, ideal conditions, no wetter etc....makes me wonder about using glyphosate in OSR (Gulp, massive can of worms, tin hat, I'm logging out for a week....). Charlock and everything else non-waxy, annihilated.....

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Salopian_Will

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BASE UK Member
Location
Shropshire
Drilled about 140 acres of wheat so far. not in the best of conditions nit could have been worse. While we would love to leave it later our best yields always come from early sown crops, despite the additional cost. The rain and soil types we are dealing with mean that we cannot be too picky - and leaving it all until October would be too big a risk. Planting spring barley/wheat is the back up but not being able to drill it till April and combine it in mid-September just compounds the problem.
 
Or not at all.....this had 4lts generic, ideal conditions, no wetter etc....makes me wonder about using glyphosate in OSR (Gulp, massive can of worms, tin hat, I'm logging out for a week....). Charlock and everything else non-waxy, annihilated.....

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Told you so!

You guys are going to see some interesting results in the coming years with this generic glyphosate and no wetter policy, no tallow to punch it into the plant, you wait and see.

Had it this spring. Glyphosate on charlock the size of your palm, forgot to put LI-700 on the rec, stuff survived and was stood up in the crop last time I saw it in June. Fortunately below the canopy and not enough to worry about, but it survived...

It's not the rate of product which is the problem.

I used to routinely use a lot of premium glyphosate products without any additional adjuvant and then successfully kill all kinds of stuff in old near permanent pasture. Never a problem. Meanwhile, if I was using a cheap 360 I would put Li700 with it.

Today however, I would be very hesitant to use any of it without adjuvant.

Whatever they have had to do to reformulate their stuff because of the loss of tallow amine, it has definitely changed the efficacy and speed of a lot of them.

Had the above been sprayed with 4L of a 360 and given 300ml/ha of LI700 put in first, it would all be as dead as a do-do.
 

Timbo1080

Member
Location
Somerset
Told you so!

You guys are going to see some interesting results in the coming years with this generic glyphosate and no wetter policy, no tallow to punch it into the plant, you wait and see.

Had it this spring. Glyphosate on charlock the size of your palm, forgot to put LI-700 on the rec, stuff survived and was stood up in the crop last time I saw it in June. Fortunately below the canopy and not enough to worry about, but it survived...

It's not the rate of product which is the problem.

I used to routinely use a lot of premium glyphosate products without any additional adjuvant and then successfully kill all kinds of stuff in old near permanent pasture. Never a problem. Meanwhile, if I was using a cheap 360 I would put Li700 with it.

Today however, I would be very hesitant to use any of it without adjuvant.

Whatever they have had to do to reformulate their stuff because of the loss of tallow amine, it has definitely changed the efficacy and speed of a lot of them.

Had the above been sprayed with 4L of a 360 and given 300ml/ha of LI700 put in first, it would all be as dead as a do-do.

I agree on the adjuvant front wrt speed, but fortunately the customer was in no hurry and as @Brisel said...it will die. I don't routinely use adjuvants, despite talloamine going, and this result has come as no surprise. Personally I'd have gone at a lower a/i rate, but with some posh Touchdown Quattro, for precisely the reason you mention, in this instance. In this case, this was for a customer, and his agro, so I do as I'm told.
I do however, find it interesting that the OSR survived so well, for such a prolonged period.....I wouldn't have the balls to do it on a crop of OSR, but I'd does make you think of the potential options for weed control in OSR (Hence the Tin hat comment).

I'd be very concerned if your charlock incident occurred, where the application was well administered.....in other words....Are you sure it was the lack of Li, or just poor application?

Edit: I'd question 4lts of 360g/Ltr glyphosate AND Li, if my agro recommended it. Without entering a debate about resistance etc, would you not agree that 4 + Li was complete overkill for that size of target?!
 
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Tomtrac

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Location
Penrith cumbria
I ordered my barley seed and wheat off cropwise/hutchinsons as for last seven year back in first week in august and am still waiting for delivery
ploughed up ready got till monday or els lol barstewads
 

Renaultman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Drilling it turning out a lot like harvest. Riding round fields trying to find something that is fit to go :(.
One thing I hate, is leaving a field before it's finished............ I have only managed to finish 3 wheat fields to date, with 4 started waiting to finish, bloody wet bits :(
 

4course

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
north yorks
Drilling it turning out a lot like harvest. Riding round fields trying to find something that is fit to go :(.
One thing I hate, is leaving a field before it's finished............ I have only managed to finish 3 wheat fields to date, with 4 started waiting to finish, bloody wet bits :(
todays the day ,aiming to start on ploughed and part worked land now almost travellable, we aimed to start on the 20th so only 2 days late which if the sun shines we should be able to catch up. extra staff sorted for weekend if weather is as forecast hopefully will be able to send plough on ahead by monday and carry on after a couple of headlands as same here dont like leaving part fields
 

Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
todays the day ,aiming to start on ploughed and part worked land now almost travellable, we aimed to start on the 20th so only 2 days late which if the sun shines we should be able to catch up. extra staff sorted for weekend if weather is as forecast hopefully will be able to send plough on ahead by monday and carry on after a couple of headlands as same here dont like leaving part fields
I hope you've had a better day than ,me? Slow slow start with fog, decided to spray some pre em while it burnt off, then it rained. A little bit more done today but with the final kick in the teeth of my beloved TM jumping out of 1000 pto :( I foresee some major surgery for her in the back end. If I can nurse her till then.
 

4course

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
north yorks
I hope you've had a better day than ,me? Slow slow start with fog, decided to spray some pre em while it burnt off, then it rained. A little bit more done today but with the final kick in the teeth of my beloved TM jumping out of 1000 pto :( I foresee some major surgery for her in the back end. If I can nurse her till then.
not a grain sown despite our best efforts ,land drying behind cultivator got all the field worked which because of its shape is more headlands than middle, went for drill gave it 1/2 an hour to dry on top particularly under hedge in the sun and breeze and then from nowhere and again not forecast it p---- down
 

Renaultman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
not a grain sown despite our best efforts ,land drying behind cultivator got all the field worked which because of its shape is more headlands than middle, went for drill gave it 1/2 an hour to dry on top particularly under hedge in the sun and breeze and then from nowhere and again not forecast it p---- down
If there had been a weather forecaster in front of me I would not have been responsible for my actions. They are rapidly becoming my least favourite people.
 

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